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> starter pinion not engaging flywheel ring gear, fixed, SR11X SR17X
shuie
post Oct 7 2013, 07:32 AM
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I've pulled my spark plugs and am trying to use the starter to build oil pressure before firing my engine.

Car has been built from the ground up. Pretty much everything is new. New engine, new flywheel, new/reman Bosch starter & solenoid, new battery cable, new ground cables, new engine wiring harness, etc.. Battery is an Optima that is not new, but is fully charged.

I turn the key and I can hear the starter pinion grinding on the flywheel ring gear. It sounds like a hammerdrill. I shorted the 12V to the switched 12V terminals on the starter with a screwdriver and I get the same grrrrr sound. I've shorted the 12V terminal on the starter to ground and verified that the starter spins freely without the grrrr. So, I think this means that the ignition switch, starter motor, and solenoid all check out.

I pulled the starter and can see the grinding on the flywheel ring gear from where pinion is trying to engage the flywheel. I have nothing else to do today, so Im going to bench test the starter and check the voltage drop across the battery.

I double checked the engine/trans mating surface and everything is flush and tight. I do have the brass bushing on the end of the starter pinion. Everything seems to be bolted up fine.

My battery cable is a 60" piece of #2 stranded welding cable. Battery and trans grounds are also #2 (FLAPS cables). Ground surfaces are clean and tight.

Does this sound like a wiring issue (cables too small) or some kind of alignment issue with the starter and flywheel? Am I not getting enough juice to fully extend the pinion, or is something misaligned?

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post Oct 7 2013, 07:42 AM
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QUOTE(shuie @ Oct 7 2013, 09:32 AM) *

new/reman Bosch starter & solenoid,


this could be your issue.
I have had bad luck with the rebuilt starters and alternators over the years and now I bring them to a local rebuilder and pay a bit more to have them rebuild them at their shop, not sent to a place unknown, and built by hand , then tested.


Pull the starter out and see of the gear comes all the way out when you try to start it.
Possibly add some lube to the shaft, and take a look at the "rebuilt" solenoid on the starter...just pull the cover off.

If its corroded, it wont throw all the way.
If the end bushing is binding up, it wont throw all the way.

In a scenario that you have low voltage, the starter solenoid typically will throw the gear and engage the flywheel, but the starter wont be able to turn the motor due to lack of power.
With low voltage, typically you CAN get the gear to engage...

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post Oct 7 2013, 10:00 AM
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thanks. I just bench tested it with jumper cables. The voltage drop across the battery was from ~12V down to ~9.5V, which seems normal. The pinion did extend all the way but did NOT turn at all. I know it's spinning when mounted in the car because it is grinding my flywheel ring gear.
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