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> Bill's 2.8 -4 Twin Plug Thread, 48x38 twin plug conversion
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post Nov 24 2013, 08:46 AM
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Here's a few pic's of my planned conversion to twin plug with a Pauter cam (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) , &
either MSII or MegaJolt with edis4 x 2 for ignition, Bill D.

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http://thedubshop.net/

would dual plug be worth any extra HP on an otherwise stock engine?

does emw have a website?

carry on : )




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QUOTE(jimkelly @ Nov 25 2013, 08:41 AM) *

http://thedubshop.net/

would dual plug be worth any extra HP on an otherwise stock engine?

does emw have a website?

carry on : )



Jake posted in another twin plug thread that the twin plug worked best on large displacement engines. I would assume that would have to with the added volume of charge and the increased chamber area for the charge to expand. But I'm no expert.
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post Nov 27 2013, 09:19 AM
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QUOTE(rick 918-S @ Nov 25 2013, 06:53 AM) *

QUOTE(jimkelly @ Nov 25 2013, 08:41 AM) *

http://thedubshop.net/

would dual plug be worth any extra HP on an otherwise stock engine?

does emw have a website?

carry on : )



Jake posted in another twin plug thread that the twin plug worked best on large displacement engines. I would assume that would have to with the added volume of charge and the increased chamber area for the charge to expand. But I'm no expert.


Correction: Large BORE engines, even a 2.0 thats a short stroke, large bore could benefit greatly from twin plugs, just like the same bore on a 3.1L beast :-) Thats because the dwell time for flame propagation matters so much more with large bores. Having two plugs on opposite sides of the chamber allow for two flame fronts that meet in the center of the chamber rather than a single flame front that has to burn across the chamber more slowly.

I find that most large bore single plug engines require 32-34* BTDC timing to optimize, while the same heads and cam when used on a smaller (96mm) bore will optimize at 26-28* BTDC. This screams efficiency because the same (105-107mm) bore size with twin plugs will optimize with 22-24*BTDC timing as a twin plug engine.

Any engine that we build thats over a 102mm bore gets twin plugs, as standard. And a roller camshaft :-)

When it gets interesting is adding more dwell time to one plug more than the other and then firing one plug before the other, or splitting the timing up between the two plugs by a couple of degrees. It will make your head spin, but the torque scale on the dyno will twist even further. Thats how I built a 249HP, 2.8L engine that still averaged 35 MPG running at 80 MPH.

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WLD419   Bill's 2.8 -4 Twin Plug Thread   Nov 24 2013, 08:46 AM
RobW   You rock. :headbanger:   Nov 24 2013, 08:54 AM
Kirmizi   :popcorn:   Nov 24 2013, 08:54 AM
kid914   :Qarl:   Nov 24 2013, 08:56 AM
Maltese Falcon   Nice machining , twin plugs rock ! More pictur...   Nov 24 2013, 12:03 PM
396   Wow, congrats!   Nov 24 2013, 02:51 PM
r_towle   Any flow bench work done on the heads? How did the...   Nov 24 2013, 03:02 PM
Woody   This is what I'm talking about. :headbanger: ...   Nov 24 2013, 04:30 PM
barefoot   Here's a few pic's of my planned conversi...   Nov 24 2013, 04:56 PM
WLD419   Thank you for the compliments & kudos , Rich...   Nov 24 2013, 05:46 PM
Jake Raby   Twin plug engines LOVE cylinder pressure! I al...   Nov 24 2013, 05:59 PM
WLD419   Twin plug engines LOVE cylinder pressure! I a...   Nov 24 2013, 06:41 PM
WLD419   I'm hoping this cam will be ok , it was ground...   Nov 24 2013, 06:48 PM
gothspeed   AWESOME!!!! :trophy: What EDIS m...   Nov 24 2013, 07:01 PM
Jake Raby   The cam is a little long for what I'd choose, ...   Nov 24 2013, 07:17 PM
WLD419   The cam is a little long for what I'd choose,...   Nov 24 2013, 07:32 PM
gothspeed   What valve spring arrangement will be used on thes...   Nov 24 2013, 09:08 PM
WLD419   What valve spring arrangement will be used on the...   Nov 25 2013, 05:10 AM
gothspeed   What valve spring arrangement will be used on th...   Nov 25 2013, 11:35 PM
WLD419   [quote name='WLD419' post='1962034' date='Nov 25 ...   Nov 26 2013, 07:14 PM
wndsrfr   Beautiful set up--love the velocity stacks--old ...   Dec 1 2013, 09:36 AM
WLD419   Beautiful set up--love the velocity stacks--old...   Dec 2 2013, 07:02 PM
jimkelly   http://thedubshop.net/ would dual plug be worth a...   Nov 25 2013, 08:41 AM
rick 918-S   http://thedubshop.net/ would dual plug be worth ...   Nov 25 2013, 08:53 AM
Jake Raby   [quote name='jimkelly' post='1962104' date='Nov 2...   Nov 27 2013, 09:19 AM
Mark Henry   http://thedubshop.net/ would dual plug be worth ...   Nov 25 2013, 11:56 AM
FourBlades   You are always doing something cool to your engine...   Nov 25 2013, 09:33 AM
McMark   Awesome Build! :trophy: I love MicroSquirt :...   Nov 25 2013, 10:41 AM
WLD419   Here's some pic's of the pistons I'll ...   Nov 26 2013, 08:16 PM
gothspeed   Wow!!! Great pics :headbanger: !...   Nov 27 2013, 12:39 AM
WLD419   Wow!!! Great pics :headbanger: ...   Nov 30 2013, 09:16 AM
gothspeed   What cylinder head cores were used to create this ...   Nov 29 2013, 01:36 AM
gothspeed   Post more pics of this engine Bill!!! ...   Nov 30 2013, 10:02 PM
dfelz   Post more pics of this engine Bill!!...   Nov 30 2013, 10:20 PM
gothspeed   :bump: in the hope more pics will be posted ........   Dec 2 2013, 04:44 PM
WLD419   Here's a few pic's sorry these are older...   Dec 2 2013, 07:26 PM
carr914   Here's a few pic's sorry these are olde...   Dec 2 2013, 07:30 PM
gothspeed   Totally freakin' awesome!!!! ...   Dec 2 2013, 10:14 PM
Mueller   Bumping an old thread while looking for info.... ...   Oct 21 2016, 01:24 PM


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