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ONTHEGRIND
post Dec 16 2013, 09:15 PM
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So I have a Lincoln hd 3200 mig that hasn't been used in a year or so.. I went and got a bottle filled last week argon co2 mix using solid .025 wire with the correct brand new tip welded on brand new steel tried the l/min from very low to very high always welds the same. I can here gas exiting the gun ground is clean here is a photo of what im working with.. The welds are very black be a wire brush on a die grinder makes a pass over them..

The top weld is c 5 settting what it recommends bottom is b5

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post Dec 17 2013, 01:24 AM
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Oh boy! So much for aiming for a stack of dimes!

I can sense your frustration from here. Works on 16 gauge but not this - so its not a gas flow issue. I doubt you got a slugged bottle. You would not know it anyways until you used up most of the shielding gas then it would get funky - not when its full.

Unplug the unit and pull the cover completely off so you can get to the back of the drive motor. Check all the terminal connections to the drive motor and remove them one at a time. I think they are spade connectors on this unit so squeeze them with a pliers and reconnect them. Give it a try. The welds in the picture do not appear to be a wire speed problem but simple diagnostics cant hurt. While you are in there check the hose to the gas solenoid and the one out to the gun. Make sure they are not leaking.

If that doesn't solve your problem check all the connectors on the heat setting switch. Pull each one, squeeze the crimp and reconnect.

Few questions: Is the gun head getting hotter than what would seem normal? If so check the wire liner to make sure its tight at the connector where the spool feeds into it. I think this unit has an allen set screw -make sure its tight and the brass nipple on the end of the liner is seated correctly all the way in. There is an o-ring on the brass nipple, make sure its not rotted away and sealing correctly. You can cut the wire and blow the liner out while you are in there -wont hurt.

Check the drive wheel orientation. Make sure the groove is in the correct position for the wire size you are using. Does the wire speed stay the same when you turn the speed control up? Tighten up the tension so when you feed out wire from the gun a few inches off the ground it should not slip. It should curl when the wire hits the ground.

With the unit on troubleshoot the wire speed potentiometer, turn it all the way down. Squeeze and hold the gun trigger, as you turn the wire speed up does the drive motor speed up. You should hear it wind up faster. The wire should run out faster as the motor speeds up. If the drive motor does not speed up the potentiometer is bad or has a loose connection - try crimping the connectors tight on this also. Worse case the PWM controller on the board took a dump but that is the last thing to check since failure is rare on the smaller Lincolns.

As far as gas flow a CFH gauge will work fine it that is all you have.
Rule of thumb on the flow by nozzle size with trigger depressed is:

Nozzle inside diameter - 3/8 inch -Minimum flow 15, typical 18 to 22, 30 max

1/2 inch -Minimum flow 18, typical 22 to 27, 40 max


If the nozzle is 5/8 I.D or bigger its too large for thin sheet metal and a waste of shielding gas. Try to use a conical shaped nozzle.


Let us know when you have chance to report.
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ONTHEGRIND   Weld porosity HELP...   Dec 16 2013, 09:15 PM
gothspeed   Looks terrible :( ..... Can you hear / feel the sh...   Dec 16 2013, 09:18 PM
ONTHEGRIND   I can here gas.. Think it was a bad tank the gu...   Dec 16 2013, 09:22 PM
rick 918-S   Check the regulator and the hose. What do you have...   Dec 16 2013, 09:23 PM
McMark   :agree: with gas flow. What about polarity? Doub...   Dec 16 2013, 09:23 PM
ONTHEGRIND   Blows out a lighter   Dec 16 2013, 09:26 PM
ONTHEGRIND   Yup checked polarity and even replaced the spo...   Dec 16 2013, 09:27 PM
injunmort   the row on the bottom definitely looks like flux c...   Dec 16 2013, 09:27 PM
stugray   Could be too much flow. Are you using a FLOW mete...   Dec 16 2013, 09:28 PM
ONTHEGRIND   Just a pressure meter.. I tried high and low...   Dec 16 2013, 09:32 PM
gothspeed   Sounds like it may be contaminated gas ...... mayb...   Dec 16 2013, 09:36 PM
914_teener   You are using a high pressure regulator instead of...   Dec 16 2013, 09:42 PM
ONTHEGRIND   Its the reg that came with the unit.. It reads ...   Dec 16 2013, 09:51 PM
gothspeed   I think 75% Argon/ 25% Co2 ...... is what I have u...   Dec 16 2013, 10:00 PM
914_teener   My bad sorry..... tri mix is for stainless... Ar...   Dec 16 2013, 10:06 PM
914_teener   That puddle is cold too.....   Dec 16 2013, 10:07 PM
rick 918-S   Is your wire rusty? How old is the wire spool? It ...   Dec 16 2013, 10:09 PM
toolguy   Bad ground connection. . . rusty wire. . not hot ...   Dec 16 2013, 10:27 PM
ONTHEGRIND   Wire is new just unpackaged today tried differen...   Dec 16 2013, 10:42 PM
McMark   Perhaps clean the main connections in the box.   Dec 16 2013, 10:49 PM
ONTHEGRIND   I will also checked that.. Looked good when I chec...   Dec 16 2013, 10:59 PM
Dr Evil   Great pointers here for us amateurs :popcorn:   Dec 16 2013, 11:14 PM
Jeff Hail   Oh boy! So much for aiming for a stack of dime...   Dec 17 2013, 01:24 AM
bulitt   correct liner for .025? Using an extension cord? ...   Dec 17 2013, 01:57 AM
MMW   Start at beginning. Did the welder work fine when...   Dec 17 2013, 08:39 AM
ONTHEGRIND   The only thing the changes was the bottle since it...   Dec 17 2013, 09:02 AM
falcor75   Whats your power supply? I'm not familliar wit...   Dec 17 2013, 09:03 AM
Bartlett 914   I would agree that it appears to be bad gas. Are a...   Dec 17 2013, 09:23 AM
toolguy   For what it's worth, for mig / steel, I use st...   Dec 17 2013, 10:20 AM
MMW   I would try a different bottle of gas to eliminate...   Dec 17 2013, 12:35 PM
Downunderman   I see your flow meter is metric. 5 to 7 L per min...   Dec 17 2013, 12:48 PM
Jon H.   I once bought some budget wire from Tractor Supply...   Dec 17 2013, 04:45 PM
76-914   :agree: I had some flux core from HF that was :st...   Dec 17 2013, 06:19 PM
Travis Neff   What kind of wire are you using? ERS70-6 would be...   Dec 17 2013, 09:50 PM
walterolin   Ditto on the cheap flux core. I pay for the Lincol...   Dec 17 2013, 10:22 PM
toolguy   What kind of wire are you using? ERS70-6 would b...   Dec 17 2013, 11:54 PM
bulitt   Forget to ask, are you welding outside in the bree...   Dec 18 2013, 08:05 AM
ONTHEGRIND   It was bad gas...swapped bottle and look at the di...   Dec 18 2013, 03:30 PM
gothspeed   Congrats!!! :beer2: Now that is a ...   Dec 18 2013, 03:35 PM
Jeff Hail   I admit when I am wrong. :D Glad you got it sort...   Dec 18 2013, 04:52 PM
stugray   Sounds like your gas guy turned the wrong knob whi...   Dec 18 2013, 05:32 PM
bulitt   Nice! Good thing you didn't go up like th...   Dec 18 2013, 05:42 PM


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