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> A vapor lock issue?, Starting after 30 minutes or so of sitting
boxsterfan
post Mar 17 2014, 10:23 AM
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So on my 74 2.0L D-Jet, my car normally behaves this way on cold start:

1. Starts right up and idles high while cold
2. As it gets warmed up, the idle "hunts" between 0 RPM and 1200 RPM and can occasionally die when pulling up to a stop sign (you might have to blip the throttle).
3. After she warms up, she idles perfect at 900-950 RPM.

The problem:

1. Car is warmed up driving to a store (idling perfect 900-950 RPM)
2. Go into store for 30 minutes
3. Start car (starts for a second but then dies if you didn't give it any gas)
4. Turn key off
5. Turn key right back on and it doesn't want to start (just cranks). But if you give it gas while cranking you can get her to start....almost like push starting the motor and popping clutch).

Note: My fuel pump is in the front. Stainless steel lines in the tunnel.

Am I still experience vapor lock?
Failing CHTS (also related to idle hunting)
Other?
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JamesM
post Mar 17 2014, 07:00 PM
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I have a theory on this problem on both d-jet and megasqirt(using d-jet intake parts and sensors) equipped cars.

What I saw on the Megasquirt equipped car (where I can easily check sensor readings) was that the air temp sensor was getting heat soaked after sitting and was reading the intake temp at near 200 deg. The fuel injection is then leaning out the mixture a ton to compensate for what it thinks is thinner air. Cycling the key on and off a few times on the MS car triggers the prime pulse and would throw enough fuel in to get it to start. On the D-jet car I would pump the throttle with the key on a few times to get the accel enrichment to throw some gas in.

Once started it runs rough until enough air has passed over the temp sensor to cool it off, then all is good.

This was all confirmed with temp readings in Megasquirt, my suspicion is that the same issue affects d-jet
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post Mar 17 2014, 09:36 PM
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QUOTE(JamesM @ Mar 17 2014, 06:00 PM) *

I have a theory on this problem on both d-jet and megasqirt(using d-jet intake parts and sensors) equipped cars.

What I saw on the Megasquirt equipped car (where I can easily check sensor readings) was that the air temp sensor was getting heat soaked after sitting and was reading the intake temp at near 200 deg. The fuel injection is then leaning out the mixture a ton to compensate for what it thinks is thinner air. Cycling the key on and off a few times on the MS car triggers the prime pulse and would throw enough fuel in to get it to start. On the D-jet car I would pump the throttle with the key on a few times to get the accel enrichment to throw some gas in.

Once started it runs rough until enough air has passed over the temp sensor to cool it off, then all is good.

This was all confirmed with temp readings in Megasquirt, my suspicion is that the same issue affects d-jet



Your observation describes my symptoms perfectly. What can be done?
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boxsterfan   A vapor lock issue?   Mar 17 2014, 10:23 AM
JawjaPorsche   Doesn't sound like vapor lock. Vapor locks us...   Mar 17 2014, 10:41 AM
The Cabinetmaker   If it's flooding and it starts by holding peda...   Mar 17 2014, 04:09 PM
boxsterfan   If it's flooding and it starts by holding ped...   Mar 17 2014, 09:38 PM
JamesM   I have a theory on this problem on both d-jet and ...   Mar 17 2014, 07:00 PM
boxsterfan   I have a theory on this problem on both d-jet and...   Mar 17 2014, 09:36 PM
tumamilhem   I am having a similar problem. My car was gone thr...   Mar 17 2014, 07:43 PM
Cap'n Krusty   Listen up! I'm old enough to have worked ...   Mar 17 2014, 10:08 PM
JawjaPorsche   Listen up! I'm old enough to have worked...   Mar 18 2014, 05:42 AM
boxsterfan   Listen up! I'm old enough to have worked...   Mar 18 2014, 10:53 AM
ky914porsche   Listen up! I'm old enough to have worke...   Jun 28 2014, 03:49 PM
The Cabinetmaker   Ky914, replace the gas pedal. It's the socket ...   Jun 29 2014, 05:23 AM
Cap'n Krusty   I don't recall it being a problem with the 1.7...   Mar 18 2014, 09:21 AM
cary   Cap'n will have to give you the details. But a...   Jun 28 2014, 07:30 PM
Tom   From the owner's manual for the 75 2.0 : B...   Jun 29 2014, 02:04 AM
swooshdave   The cylinder heads are aluminum and cool off at a...   Jun 29 2014, 07:18 AM
76-914   The cylinder heads are aluminum and cool off at ...   Jun 29 2014, 08:14 AM
Tom   The thermal conductivity of aluminum is about thre...   Jun 29 2014, 08:59 AM


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