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> idle on a 2056 with 9590 cam
jmargush
post Dec 12 2013, 03:50 PM
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I am having trouble getting my new 2056 with a 9590 cam to idle. When I start it is idles around 500rpm or lower and I can't speed it up with the by pass screw.

I am running L-jet injection
I hear a hissing sound when the engine is idling but I cannot find a vacuum leak, plenum couplers are new and all other hoses are in good shape.

I can't find the hissing with a mechanics stethoscope so I was going to try to find a leak with propane but it has been too cold to work on it lately.

The idle does seem to get a little better after it has warmed up a bit I think, it has been several weeks since I have had it out.

One question I had is does the new cam require any change to the mixture? if so how do I go about adjusting the mixture?

Thanks in advance for any input
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Jake Raby
post Jun 2 2014, 10:39 AM
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Its doubtful that drilling a hole in the throttle plate will improve the function of your system.


I disagree.


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The idle is so low because there isn't enough fuel for the amount of air getting in the engine.


I disagree. The idle is low because the engine that is now breathing more effectively at idle speed now has a much greater demand for chamber filling. Because of this the air bypass screw becomes extended so far that idle air often fluctuates.

Drilling the throttle plate allows bypass air to occur, thus reducing the amount of air that must pass through the factory idle air bypass circuit. Drilling the throttle plate with this combination is often required, especially at lower elevations, as air density effects the bypass volumes even more.

The other thing that can impact this is initial timing advance, the key to tuning this combination is optimizing initial advance, advance curve and idle air bypass quantity. After these are complete, one can move to enrichment.

Thats my input as the designer of the camshaft profile, and they guy that has not only made it work a couple thousand times; but also made it work the first time.
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post Jun 2 2014, 02:52 PM
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I have a 9550 cam, with Ljet. Whereabouts might this hole get drilled? I'm chasing my last (hopefully) vacuum leak this evening, and depending on how that affects things, I may need to try the drill my idle still hunts at temp.
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post Jun 2 2014, 09:58 PM
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I have a 9550 cam, with Ljet. Whereabouts might this hole get drilled? I'm chasing my last (hopefully) vacuum leak this evening, and depending on how that affects things, I may need to try the drill my idle still hunts at temp.


In my experience I have found that a hole the same size as the VW logo stamped on the butterfly works well... BUT don't go that high straight away. Always start smaller and work your way up.

BTW- Setting timing at idle makes no sense to me, when doing this you are depending on a 40 year old distributor to have the exact same internal specifications that it did when new, and it seldom does. I set timing with vacuum disconnected at 28-32 degrees full advance without the vacuum attached.

There's a reason why we call it "optimized timing", because no two engines or environments are the same. You must apply changes and then listen to the engine and give it what it likes best. Once the engine is happy, it is optimized.

This requires trial and error couple with situational awareness and good old common sense.
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jmargush   idle on a 2056 with 9590 cam   Dec 12 2013, 03:50 PM
Cap'n Krusty   I am having trouble getting my new 2056 with a 95...   Dec 12 2013, 04:23 PM
jmargush   Yes One question though, when I set the timing I ...   Dec 12 2013, 06:13 PM
Jake Raby   What are the rest of the engine specs? You may fin...   Dec 12 2013, 06:18 PM
jmargush   What are the rest of the engine specs? You may fi...   Dec 12 2013, 06:55 PM
Jake Raby   What are the rest of the engine specs? You may f...   Dec 12 2013, 07:43 PM
jmargush   What are the rest of the engine specs? You may fi...   May 31 2014, 09:48 AM
jmargush   2.0 Heads were done by Len Hoffman CR 8.56:1 Full ...   Dec 12 2013, 06:50 PM
r_towle   Sounds like you are doing the timing properly. Wi...   Dec 12 2013, 07:06 PM
crash914   If its that lean, there has to be a leak...if you ...   May 31 2014, 11:49 AM
jmargush   What is the right setting for the idle screw? Is ...   May 31 2014, 05:35 PM
crash914   on the other hand, if it works.......   Jun 1 2014, 08:42 AM
Racer Chris   Have you read up on how to tune L-jet? Are you fam...   Jun 1 2014, 10:45 PM
Jake Raby   I disagree. I disagree. The idle is low beca...   Jun 2 2014, 10:39 AM
Porschef   I have a 9550 cam, with Ljet. Whereabouts might th...   Jun 2 2014, 02:52 PM
Jake Raby   I have a 9550 cam, with Ljet. Whereabouts might t...   Jun 2 2014, 09:58 PM
crash914   hmmm.. this would explain why I have to use the t...   Jun 2 2014, 10:53 AM
Jake Raby   hmmm.. this would explain why I have to use the ...   Jun 2 2014, 12:01 PM
crash914   :headbanger: got it! thanks! :worship:   Jun 2 2014, 02:29 PM
jmargush   I read the article online about tuning L-jet which...   Jun 2 2014, 02:34 PM
jmargush   Jake, I have the timing set at 7.5 BTDC@800rpm no...   Jun 2 2014, 02:36 PM
jmargush   I drilled mine in the center just to one side of t...   Jun 2 2014, 05:28 PM
jmargush   I drilled mine in the center just to one side of t...   Jun 2 2014, 05:28 PM
jmargush   Thanks Jake would full advance be around 3500 rp...   Jun 3 2014, 04:19 AM
Jake Raby   Thanks Jake would full advance be around 3500 r...   Jun 3 2014, 06:25 AM
jmargush   Ok I went back and set the timing at full advance ...   Jun 3 2014, 06:22 PM
Jake Raby   Ok I went back and set the timing at full advance...   Jun 3 2014, 08:49 PM
jmargush   Yes I drilled the throttle plate and it is much be...   Jun 4 2014, 04:12 AM
Jake Raby   It is now climbing to 1800 RPM because the additio...   Jun 4 2014, 08:07 PM
jmargush   ok so I finally had a chance to get back to workin...   Jun 8 2014, 06:23 PM
jmargush   Is there any benefit at looking into changing fuel...   Jun 11 2014, 09:38 AM


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