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| Seabird |
May 19 2014, 08:53 AM
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Member ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 165 Joined: 21-November 13 From: United States Member No.: 16,683 Region Association: South East States |
Good morning everyone. I am in the process of upgrading my oil system. This is on my dedicated track 914. The upgrades include remote oil cooler, accusump, and CB Maxi oil pump.
In my research for installing the accusump it seems like there are two places that are recommended, in the cooler return line with a check valve and direct to the block. I did not want to use the sandwich plate adapter so I opted for the block option. Simpler with less seals to fail. As I looked into the workings of the type IV oil system I found a potential problem with both these locations; the oil relief valve on the front of the engine. VW used this valve to bypass the cooler when the oil is thick. But this also means the cooler is bypassed when the oil pressure is high. Does the use of an oil accumulator negate the oil cooler system by maintaining oil pressure? While on the straights the pump could potentially make 50-60 psi of oil pressure. (the 30mm pump that was in the engine produces those pressures much of a 20 min session) At those oil pressures the cooler will be bypassed based on what I know of the relief valve (bypassing cooler at 60psi, partially open at 35 psi, and sealed at 12psi). The accusump will also build up to that pressure. When I go to brakes and the revs drop the accusump will start pushing back and keep the pressure up till the differential is corrected. If I am back on to the next straight in that time then the pump starts building the pressure again. Options: 1. Am I making a mountain out of a mole hill? Leave it alone. 2. Plug that relief valve so it stays closed and let the oil cooler thermostat bypass the oil when its cold. This is a pre 76 case so there is the secondary relief valve by cylinder 1. Might be able just to invert the piston so the bypass grove is below the bypass passages. 3. There is also the high pressure pistons sold by pelican parts and others. Does this just shift the bypass window to a higher pressure range? I would love to hear people's thoughts on this. Miguel |
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| brant |
Jun 24 2014, 10:52 AM
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914 Wizard ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 12,089 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Colorado Member No.: 47 Region Association: Rocky Mountains
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Miguel. The numbers when exposed to oil usually show higher. The dipstick gauges take a reading very close to the stock senders and usually show numbers close to the gauges unfortunately.
I think the mass of the case and insulation qualities skews the numbers some. It's worth borrowing a dipstick gauge to confirm |
| Seabird |
Jun 24 2014, 11:53 AM
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Member ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 165 Joined: 21-November 13 From: United States Member No.: 16,683 Region Association: South East States |
Miguel. The numbers when exposed to oil usually show higher. The dipstick gauges take a reading very close to the stock senders and usually show numbers close to the gauges unfortunately. I think the mass of the case and insulation qualities skews the numbers some. It's worth borrowing a dipstick gauge to confirm Yep, I am with you on that. I thought the filter would be the closest externally measurable location given the thinness of the steel wall. Chris and I discussed removing the sender and testing it in a pot of boiling water to verify the actual error. Next time I do an oil change I will work this into my evening. Not really interested in dumping $50 of fresh oil at the moment. Thanks for the input though! Miguel |
Seabird Oil pressure relief, oil cooler, and accusump interaction May 19 2014, 08:53 AM
Racer Chris
1. Am I making a mountain out of a mole hill? Le... May 19 2014, 09:33 AM
Seabird Chris,
Seems like you and I are the only ones act... May 20 2014, 12:32 PM
Randal
Chris,
Seems like you and I are the only ones ac... May 20 2014, 01:45 PM
Jetsetsurfshop
Chris,
Seems like you and I are the only ones ac... May 20 2014, 01:55 PM
Seabird
New motor?
Oh, are you driving in Chump?
Same ... May 20 2014, 02:34 PM
Seabird Thanks for jumping in Randal! I was just :pok... May 20 2014, 02:24 PM
Randal
Thanks for jumping in Randal! I was just :po... May 20 2014, 04:47 PM
ThePaintedMan Hey Miguel,
I don't have much to offer rega... May 20 2014, 06:50 PM
Seabird Ill look for you George. Look for a PM from me wi... May 21 2014, 05:38 AM
rmdinmd Ok so if I follow this right, I either already hav... May 21 2014, 05:02 PM
Racer Chris I've been doing a little noodling on this, and... May 22 2014, 10:34 AM
Seabird
I've been doing a little noodling on this, an... May 22 2014, 02:36 PM
stugray You are not the only one interested:
http://www.9... May 22 2014, 12:33 PM
Seabird
You are not the only one interested:
http://www.... May 22 2014, 02:35 PM
Racer Chris Here's a little visual aid:
Relief valve comp... May 22 2014, 08:55 PM
Racer Chris Here's my prototype pressure relief which elim... May 27 2014, 12:33 PM
Racer Chris I think we have a winner here!
:trophy:
We ju... May 28 2014, 02:54 PM
carr914
Ill look for you George. Look for a PM from me w... May 28 2014, 03:16 PM
Seabird I just might.
Though this should get its own OT t... May 28 2014, 03:43 PM
Jetsetsurfshop
I just might.
Though this should get its own OT ... May 28 2014, 05:45 PM
Seabird
Spoke with Chris today about this prototype for ... May 28 2014, 08:49 PM
Jetsetsurfshop Well, get on it!! :smash:
See you there.
... May 29 2014, 07:31 PM
Seabird
Well, get on it!! :smash:
See you there.... May 29 2014, 07:43 PM
ww914
Cooler installed!
http://www.914world.com/b... May 30 2014, 09:13 AM
Seabird I have a feeling that all the talk about rear moun... May 30 2014, 09:44 AM
Jetsetsurfshop Hey Miguel,
What was you track temps at the last e... May 30 2014, 10:10 AM
ThePaintedMan I think he said he didn't have an oil temp gau... May 30 2014, 10:38 AM
Seabird The new vdo gauge and the old sender were a mis-ma... May 30 2014, 10:43 AM
Jetsetsurfshop Hey Miguel,
Did you install a pull-thru fan? I won... May 31 2014, 11:36 AM
Racer Chris
Hey Miguel,
Did you install a pull-thru fan? I wo... Jun 1 2014, 10:58 PM
Jetsetsurfshop
Hey Miguel,
Did you install a pull-thru fan? I w... Jun 2 2014, 01:09 PM
Seabird No puller fan. It's a race car, it should not... May 31 2014, 07:37 PM
Bill's Racing 914 :D
Good morning everyone. I am in the process of... Jun 2 2014, 01:45 PM
Seabird Bill, your words were prophetic!
Got to Sebr... Jun 10 2014, 03:02 PM
Racer Chris This was my first time at the track with a complet... Jun 10 2014, 05:10 PM
Jetsetsurfshop I wish I could of been more help. Managing my Dad ... Jun 10 2014, 06:51 PM
ww914
I wish I could of been more help. Managing my Dad... Jun 12 2014, 06:46 AM
Racer Chris
I wish I could of been more help. Managing my Da... Jun 12 2014, 08:30 AM
Seabird Nice pic. Looks like we had a private test day at... Jun 10 2014, 07:20 PM
Seabird Track Test Report:
Was back up at Sebring this we... Jun 24 2014, 10:13 AM
ThePaintedMan I would tend to agree. Though VDO gauges are notor... Jun 24 2014, 12:09 PM
Seabird
I would definitely be curious to see the differe... Jun 24 2014, 12:22 PM
brant I think they are still available new.
Manley? B... Jun 24 2014, 01:12 PM
Seabird
I think they are still available new.
Manley? ... Jun 24 2014, 01:18 PM
Jetsetsurfshop I ran 240-250 in the afternoon sessions. Did an ex... Jun 24 2014, 05:10 PM
Seabird
I ran 240-250 in the afternoon sessions. Did an e... Jun 25 2014, 05:33 AM
ThePaintedMan
So you think we could see a heat soaking issue wh... Jun 25 2014, 08:20 AM

Seabird
I may not belong in this conversation since I... Jun 25 2014, 08:59 AM
Jetsetsurfshop So you think we could see a heat soaking issue whe... Jun 26 2014, 01:50 PM
Seabird
So you think we could see a heat soaking issue wh... Jun 26 2014, 02:20 PM
Racer Chris
You think I could get the full hour in with my ... Jun 26 2014, 02:40 PM
stownsen914 If you want to calibrate your gauge/sender, take t... Jun 26 2014, 03:33 PM
Racer Chris I have an interesting anecdotal data point to add ... Jun 25 2014, 08:34 AM
McMark Stack make great gauges. If you're gonna pull... Jun 28 2014, 02:37 PM
Jetsetsurfshop
Stack make great gauges. If you're gonna pul... Jun 28 2014, 05:43 PM
McMark Their ProControl line does.
http://www.914world.co... Jun 28 2014, 09:14 PM![]() ![]() |
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