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> Running Really Hot on the Track, I don't necessarily mean fast
ww914
post May 10 2014, 03:51 PM
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Yesterday at Buttonwillow for our DE, the temperature was not all that hot, but I could only get in 2 laps at race speed before my CHT gauge started hollering at me. Here are the maximum values from yesterday:
Cyl #1 384 degrees
Cyl #2 357 degrees
Cyl #3 433 degrees
Cyl #4 402 degrees

I have the alarm set at 400 degrees, so each time it reached that temp, I backed off and let it cool down and finished each session with just a Sunday drive. Here's what I have:
My engine is a 2270 built by Original Customs
2 40 DLRAs:
150 main jets
180 air correction jets
34 venturis
9164.2 emulsion tubes
75 idle jets
50 pump jets

Both carbs are accurately sync'd and the a/f gauge shows between 13 - 14 all through the progression to WOT
The timing is set to about 30 degrees

I am running a stock cooling system with the thermostat and flaps working properly. I pulled engine tin to look for obstructions. None.

I am running a Sebtrab 8 x 10 oil cooler but my temps are over 220 when pushing it hard. No fans.

I am not sure where to go from here: alternate cooling, larger oil cooler, fans? Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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post May 28 2014, 10:17 PM
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Have you tried 180 air 160 mains or possible 190 airs 155 mains. Interested in the WOT numbers Also what venturis? 32mm i assume
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QUOTE(PotterPorsche @ May 28 2014, 09:17 PM) *

Have you tried 180 air 160 mains or possible 190 airs 155 mains. Interested in the WOT numbers Also what venturis? 32mm i assume


I am running 160 mains with 180 A/C which got my WOT at redline a/f readings to around 12.0, through 34 venturis, but the cyl temps were still too high, especially #3. The oil temps were also running too high 230 to 250.

I am almost ready to re-install the engine with the few things I found wrong and with Tangerine Racing remote oil cooler kit. We'll see what happens.
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QUOTE(ww914 @ May 29 2014, 07:43 AM) *

QUOTE(PotterPorsche @ May 28 2014, 09:17 PM) *

Have you tried 180 air 160 mains or possible 190 airs 155 mains. Interested in the WOT numbers Also what venturis? 32mm i assume


I am running 160 mains with 180 A/C which got my WOT at redline a/f readings to around 12.0, through 34 venturis, but the cyl temps were still too high, especially #3. The oil temps were also running too high 230 to 250.

I am almost ready to re-install the engine with the few things I found wrong and with Tangerine Racing remote oil cooler kit. We'll see what happens.


OK, after re-installing the engine with some modifications that I will show you, I believe I have done everything I can do to lower my cyl head temps and oil temps. I think JP Stein may be right about these engines, one can only do so much. Oh, I am sure there is more I could do, but I am not sure I would be getting the bang for the buck. I have already spent a small fortune. Am I where I want to be? Maybe not, but I am definitely feeling better about my temperatures. Here is what I did:

When I removed the engine, I found a few minor things wrong that I corrected. I found my missing alternator cover inside the impeller. I also found that I had two blades missing. Corrected both of the problems.

I also installed the Tangerine Racing remote oil cooler kit, which eliminates the stock oil cooler and re-routes that air to #3 & 4 cylinders. You can see the plate installed where the air used to go down to the stock oil cooler.

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I have positioned the oil cooler in several different spots in the rear passenger side of the car. None seemed to work better than others. Here is one of those positions:

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I then added 3" hose and a NACA duct:

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It was about this time, I installed Chris Foley's pressure relief valve. Didn't see a big difference, but Chris assures me that oil was now for sure going to the cooler and that is a good thing. I think all these little things add up to more improvement.

Next, I made an single inlet shroud to pick up most of the cooler air from the NACA duct. That helped, but I was still not satisfied, so I made a dual inlet shroud and picked up more air from the engine compartment, close to the new GT lid I bought. Here's the shroud on the workbench.

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Here it is installed.

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You can see the inline oil thermstat in the above left

To be continued.........





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ww914   Running Really Hot on the Track   May 10 2014, 03:51 PM
brant   13 to 14 is way too lean. Especially the 14 numbe...   May 10 2014, 03:59 PM
ww914   13 to 14 is way too lean. Especially the 14 numb...   May 10 2014, 04:30 PM
brant   3 will run hotter. However I wonder what is going ...   May 10 2014, 05:23 PM
ww914   3 will run hotter. However I wonder what is going...   May 10 2014, 07:16 PM
r_towle   [quote name='brant' post='2035882' date='May 10 2...   May 16 2014, 07:19 PM
ww914   I moved it to where the original air pump was and ...   May 18 2014, 02:20 PM
ww914   Update on heating issue. Bottom line, everything w...   May 26 2014, 05:24 PM
Randal   Where is your external oil cooler? And how is the...   May 10 2014, 06:34 PM
ww914   Where is your external oil cooler? And how is th...   May 10 2014, 07:18 PM
Randal   [quote name='Randal' post='2035904' date='May 10 ...   May 11 2014, 09:51 PM
ww914   I did some further checking of a/f and cyl temps...   May 12 2014, 08:46 AM
Jetsetsurfshop   Our cars are set-up really similar. Here's a p...   May 11 2014, 02:48 PM
J P Stein   I've read a lot of BS over the years about oil...   May 26 2014, 06:57 PM
ww914   I've read a lot of BS over the years about oi...   May 27 2014, 07:25 AM
Jetsetsurfshop   Oil temp ran between 230 - 250 Do you come in onc...   May 27 2014, 09:26 AM
ww914   Oil temp ran between 230 - 250 Do you come in on...   May 27 2014, 10:40 AM
Racer Chris   Warren, would you like to be the guinea pig for my...   May 27 2014, 10:21 AM
ww914   Warren, would you like to be the guinea pig for m...   May 27 2014, 10:42 AM
Jetsetsurfshop   Warren, would you like to be the guinea pig for m...   May 27 2014, 11:17 AM
Racer Chris   Warren, would you like to be the guinea pig for ...   May 27 2014, 12:24 PM
yeahmag   Have you messed with your timing or verified it wi...   May 27 2014, 04:50 PM
ww914   Have you messed with your timing or verified it w...   May 27 2014, 05:29 PM
yeahmag   I found the same thing with my cam-ed/carb-ed 2056...   May 27 2014, 05:49 PM
PotterPorsche   Have you tried 180 air 160 mains or possible 190 a...   May 28 2014, 10:17 PM
ww914   Have you tried 180 air 160 mains or possible 190 ...   May 29 2014, 08:43 AM
ww914   Have you tried 180 air 160 mains or possible 190...   Jul 9 2014, 09:05 AM
ww914   Here's another shot: Here is the engine com...   Jul 9 2014, 09:25 AM
Seabird   Foley's is not a big fan of oil cooler fans, ...   Jul 9 2014, 02:09 PM
brant   I am convinced that in order to take this car on ...   Jul 9 2014, 02:33 PM
yeahmag   Oil and head temps aren't directly related. Tu...   May 29 2014, 11:57 AM
ww914   Oil and head temps aren't directly related. T...   May 29 2014, 12:45 PM
J P Stein   Oil and head temps aren't directly related. T...   May 31 2014, 10:11 AM
yeahmag   Only good shit, but it's true. I've correl...   Jun 1 2014, 01:11 PM
Montreal914   :chow: I'm following with great interest thi...   Jun 2 2014, 09:14 PM
J P Stein   In a sense, Len & Jake are right. That big lum...   Jun 3 2014, 08:40 AM
Racer Chris   ... That big lump of a T-4 head casting has insuf...   Jun 3 2014, 08:55 AM
J P Stein   ... That big lump of a T-4 head casting has insu...   Jun 3 2014, 09:49 AM
Seabird   :lol4:   Jun 3 2014, 09:16 AM
Racer   I am confused about a few things here.. 1) I was ...   Jul 9 2014, 07:28 PM
brant   I am confused about a few things here.. 1) I was...   Jul 9 2014, 08:04 PM
ww914   Brant said: the stock cooling air comes in through...   Jul 11 2014, 08:10 AM
brant   OK, I moved the can away from the firewall, but ...   Jul 11 2014, 09:46 PM
Jetsetsurfshop   We have almost identical set-ups, with identical r...   Jul 9 2014, 07:35 PM
wndsrfr   Now the only question is what type of front cool...   Jul 9 2014, 07:58 PM
ablesnead   And when you do finally put it up front...manage t...   Jul 9 2014, 08:18 PM
brant   agree'd and make the exit about 2x as large an...   Jul 9 2014, 08:23 PM
crash914   For what its worth, I have measured over 120 degre...   Jul 11 2014, 01:08 PM
stugray   Here's a datapoint: Ran my 2L 4 hard last week...   Aug 4 2014, 05:15 PM
ww914   So, you have the two coolers hooked up in series? ...   Aug 14 2014, 08:16 AM
Jetsetsurfshop   Will the headlights still function when done? Post...   Aug 4 2014, 05:31 PM
stugray   Will the headlights still function when done? Pos...   Aug 23 2014, 11:58 PM


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