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Give a New Racer Some Guidance!, Build plans for SCCA car |
Redhorseracing |
Jul 19 2014, 10:59 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 13 Joined: 1-May 14 From: Orlando, Fl Member No.: 17,301 Region Association: South East States |
Hey guys,
So I have started to clear out my garage enough to be able to start thinking about where i want to go with my 914 project. But before I got too far I figured I would present my conundrum and see what you all think. I am trying to get into racing as driving and building cars is my passion. The best place to start seems to be SCCA Club Racing. Of course I have read over the rule books over and over and my mind is numb trying to figure out all the classes and limitations. In a nutshell, my goal with the car is to build a car that I can compete with and do well in. Maybe not nationally but hopefully locally and regionally. ( I am in Orlando Florida btw) My sub-goal is to build a fast car. I currently drive a 440hp BMW M5 as my daily and am planning on selling it to fund this project and also buy a more useful tow vehicle and trailer. So I don't particularly want to build a stock 1.8, I'd like to have a bit more oomph to satisfy my cravings lol. The original plan before I realized how strict some of the class rules are, was to put an LS2 with either a Boxster or G50 trans in it and a fiber glass body all around. But is that going to be a useful race car? I mostly drew that up by seeing Patrick Motorsports Blown V8 Monster build. Now currently I have a 1.8 motor and a 901 transmission in my garage that I am selling. What type of class would be the best to build towards? I know I know, everyone asks this question, but atleast I know a little bit: I know that I cant afford a 914-6 conversion so no hyped up class, and that if I do a LS or equivalent conversion I go straight to XP. My last car was a 2.0 that was built all from FAT parts in Cali and was a stroker and put down about 130hp. It wasn't too expensive and I would be able to easily build a motor like that again. If I were to stick to a 4 cyl would it even be useful to keep the 1.8 motor? Or should I just go straight to building a more powerful motor? Where in the mix of class is the 914 best? I am also dabbling in the go kart world and plan on entering the Rok Cup next year, so I know my car wont be finished for atleast a year or two. But still I would like to draw up a game plan and start moving towards the end goal. Thanks for all your time if you read this far I look forward to hearing any advice you guys have. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
jhadler |
Jul 21 2014, 12:26 PM
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Long term tinkerer... Group: Members Posts: 1,879 Joined: 7-April 03 From: Lyons, CO Member No.: 529 |
You are confusing me in your responses....
In your first inquiry, you mention club racing and wanting to put a V8 in a 914. To me that read colossal cubic dollars. Then you mention autox classes... Yes, FP and DSP are classes that the 914 runs in. But no, a 914 has never won DSP. What exactly are you looking to build the car for? Wheel to wheel racing? Or autox? If you're looking to build a competitive car, you need to decide what class and what limitations you need to manage. A V8 in club racing that will be competitive will cost a *staggering* amount of money, and the motor is only a small portion of that. Chassis engineering will be a kicker. Once you open the door to alternate power plants, that comes along with a whole host of other allowances. And all of these allowances will be ones that people who want to win will invest in. A competitive autox FP 914 will cost a fortune as well. Big motor, big money. Lot's of chassis engineering, and all the rest. As for DSP, since I was once building my 914 for SP, I am resigned to the fact that with all the new rule changes to SP that even if you exploit the rules to the limit, a 914 may still not be nationally competitive in DSP. On a transition intensive course, with a *fully* built car, it could hold it's own against the power house cars of the class. But give those BMW's a chance to stretch their legs, and the 914 won't be able to keep up. XP for a 914 (like Britt's car) may be the best place, but that is anything but inexpensive. If you REALLY want to competitively race a 914. You need to choose the class first. Don't build a thing until you do. Brant may have the best info, vintage may be the best place these days. -Josh |
Redhorseracing |
Jul 21 2014, 01:45 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 13 Joined: 1-May 14 From: Orlando, Fl Member No.: 17,301 Region Association: South East States |
You are confusing me in your responses.... In your first inquiry, you mention club racing and wanting to put a V8 in a 914. To me that read colossal cubic dollars. Then you mention autox classes... Yes, FP and DSP are classes that the 914 runs in. But no, a 914 has never won DSP. What exactly are you looking to build the car for? Wheel to wheel racing? Or autox? If you're looking to build a competitive car, you need to decide what class and what limitations you need to manage. A V8 in club racing that will be competitive will cost a *staggering* amount of money, and the motor is only a small portion of that. Chassis engineering will be a kicker. Once you open the door to alternate power plants, that comes along with a whole host of other allowances. And all of these allowances will be ones that people who want to win will invest in. A competitive autox FP 914 will cost a fortune as well. Big motor, big money. Lot's of chassis engineering, and all the rest. As for DSP, since I was once building my 914 for SP, I am resigned to the fact that with all the new rule changes to SP that even if you exploit the rules to the limit, a 914 may still not be nationally competitive in DSP. On a transition intensive course, with a *fully* built car, it could hold it's own against the power house cars of the class. But give those BMW's a chance to stretch their legs, and the 914 won't be able to keep up. XP for a 914 (like Britt's car) may be the best place, but that is anything but inexpensive. If you REALLY want to competitively race a 914. You need to choose the class first. Don't build a thing until you do. Brant may have the best info, vintage may be the best place these days. -Josh Thanks Josh, I didn't mean to confuse anyone mentioning the class winners that I saw some 914s in. I want to race wheel to wheel on a track. Not very interested in auto x. Currently after researching again almost all last night, it looks like f production is the really best route to take for me with what I want to do. Seems like I can do a lot of the suspension work and body work to make it have a good base so if I ever did want to move to a 6 or 8 cylinder motor I could. I do agree that XP would require too much money for me to be competitive and I would probably barely make it to the track with my budget lol I am no where near done researching but just thought I'd ask this quickly: I am reading this right now http://scca.cdn.racersites.com/prod/assets...0GCR%20July.pdf And it seems to be pretty general and not too specific for the limitations of a 914. Is there any other articles from SCCA or anywhere else that can show some more details? I was actually pretty surprised that I didn't see any build threads for a 914 F production or equivalent on here or with a google search. Thanks again guys I appreciate it. Time for more reading (IMG:style_emoticons/default/type.gif) |
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