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| stevegm |
Oct 16 2014, 06:10 PM
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Advanced Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,111 Joined: 14-July 14 From: North Carolina Member No.: 17,633 Region Association: South East States
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I am preparing my '71 914-4 for restoration. It has come to the point to make a decision how to handle the wiring harness. Are they available for sale NOS? Or does everyone reuse the original one in the car?
I read that one of the builds used an NOS harness and NOS fuse-box. It said - "both courtesy of Mr. Sager." Although it was a six (Mine is just a 4). Here is the link: http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=78492 Thanks, Steve |
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| JeffBowlsby |
Oct 17 2014, 08:25 AM
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914 Wiring Harnesses & Beekeeper ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 9,205 Joined: 7-January 03 From: San Ramon CA Member No.: 104 Region Association: None
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Thought I should chime in on this.
The chassis harnesses are well protected from engine bay heat and contaminants unlike the engine bay harnesses so they are, all things considered, in better condition than the others. But why is it that some people still hack into these? PUT THE CUTTERS DOWN PEOPLE. There is never a need to cut wiring, ever. The damage can be difficult to fix. I have been restoring original chassis harnesses as I have the time, but it’s a time consuming process and that makes it expensive, but still cost effective by far, than building new. The interest in new chassis harnesses has been increasing from year to year. I have been doing the upfront work on making the chassis harnesses as I have time, but it is a monumental task. The chassis harnesses are extremely complicated! Each model year USA 914 chassis harness is unique and not interchangeable with other years, so there are 7 for the 914/4 and as far as I can tell at the moment, at least 2 if not 3 for the 914/6. See the comparison chart on my harness website and below for details. They are different in their circuitry and connectivity requirements at dash switches, gauges and lighting, the relay board connector and by their changes/upgrades from model year to year. Building them can only come after documenting their circuitry, connectivity and layout, which is where I am at currently. I have acquired 1 or more of each model year 914/4 (except the 1971 914/4 – SO MEPSTEIN CAN I BORROW YOURS TO DOCUMENT?) and am in the process of designing the tooling. Each harness is different than the other, but their similarities include that that have about 70 different combinations of wire gage, base color and striping color, combined to make about 170 different circuits. I have most of the connector terminals but others need to be sourced. I have roughly priced buying the bulk wire and to get the correct colors/gages and striping, will cost about $1000. for each harness, and that is only when buying in bulk quantities for discounts, that initial cost would be at least $5000. as of a year ago. Does not include the terminals, outer casing, or labor to fabricate, or the upfront design and tooling fabrication costs. Easily these are $2000. items to build new, each. These are in no way comparable to the $99. Beetle harness from JC Whitney or Painless. One fabricator that I know of charges $2,295. and they only offer one model year of the 914/6 harness on a custom order basis so that is a reasonable price. $2,295 is more than the value of some 914s, so you can see your car better be pretty valuable to justify this expense, as much as we would all like to have new chassis harnesses. Seriously, I could use some help with building these 914 wiring harnesses so if someone in the SF bay area is genuinely interested in dedicating significant time and committing to consistent, ongoing effort to making 914 wiring harnesses as a long term endeavor, for pay, please contact me to discuss. Attached File(s)
914WiringHarnessIDGuide.pdf ( 43.03k )
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stevegm NOS Wiring Harness? Are they available? Oct 16 2014, 06:10 PM
altitude411 http://bowlsby.net/914/WiringHarnesses/ Oct 16 2014, 06:17 PM
SirAndy
http://bowlsby.net/914/WiringHarnesses/
Jeff doe... Oct 16 2014, 07:17 PM
stevegm
[quote name='altitude411' post='2098792' date='Oc... Oct 16 2014, 07:21 PM
SirAndy Ah, Thanks. So, be very careful when taking it out... Oct 16 2014, 07:25 PM
914Sixer AA used to have some early 70-71 harnesses. Not s... Oct 16 2014, 07:10 PM
914Sixer Just checked. Shows main harness for 70, 71 ... Oct 16 2014, 07:25 PM
stevegm
Just checked. Shows main harness for 70, 71 ... Oct 16 2014, 07:29 PM
SirAndy Look at the "PET?"
PET for the 914 as ... Oct 16 2014, 07:34 PM
worn
Just checked. Shows main harness for 70, 71 ... Oct 16 2014, 07:35 PM
mepstein
Just checked. Shows main harness for 70, 71 ... Oct 16 2014, 07:38 PM
stevegm
[quote name='stevegm' post='2098825' date='Oct 16... Oct 16 2014, 07:42 PM
mepstein
[quote name='stevegm' post='2098825' date='Oct 1... Oct 16 2014, 07:57 PM
914Sixer Harnesses are getting very rare now. Even back in... Oct 16 2014, 07:34 PM
57lincolnman I have a '75 1.8L with a wiring harness built ... Oct 16 2014, 07:35 PM
Mikey914 Bet we could talk Jeff into doing these :D
They ... Oct 16 2014, 10:16 PM
mepstein It's a BIG expense for someone to commit to al... Oct 17 2014, 05:56 AM
Kansas 914 I think they are making 914 harnesses soon: http:/... Oct 17 2014, 10:04 AM

mepstein
I think they are making 914 harnesses soon: http:... Oct 17 2014, 10:28 AM
mepstein
Thought I should chime in on this.
The chassis h... Oct 17 2014, 01:58 PM
larss I made a new harness on my own (since po had chopp... Oct 17 2014, 10:49 AM
Mikey914 Yes,
This can be done, but without all 7 variation... Oct 17 2014, 11:32 AM
Dave_Darling Where did you get the connectors? Re-using the ol... Oct 17 2014, 11:32 AM
stevegm Confirmed - AA has no genuine Porsche 914 wiring h... Oct 17 2014, 02:13 PM
mepstein
Confirmed - AA has no genuine Porsche 914 wiring ... Oct 17 2014, 03:38 PM
stevegm
Confirmed - AA has no genuine Porsche 914 wiring... Oct 17 2014, 03:48 PM
patssle There's a guy on the Pelican boards that build... Oct 17 2014, 05:28 PM
mepstein
There's a guy on the Pelican boards that buil... Oct 17 2014, 07:51 PM
Jeff Bowlsby
It's not just the labor that's an issue.... Oct 17 2014, 10:36 PM
arkitect
Ah, Thanks. So, be very careful when taking it ou... Oct 17 2014, 10:18 PM
Tom Jeff,
I have had some experience making harness... Oct 18 2014, 04:09 AM
gerakroo We have been working on our first 1970 914-6 for s... Oct 19 2014, 10:34 PM
9146986 I've been making 914-6 engine harnesses for al... Oct 20 2014, 06:24 AM
914werke
Jeff can you elaborate on this statement?
Why c... Oct 20 2014, 07:11 AM
Dave_Darling It won't have all the right wires. For instan... Oct 20 2014, 11:35 AM
Jeff Bowlsby All the differences between the model years that I... Oct 20 2014, 12:01 PM
worn
All the differences between the model years that ... Oct 20 2014, 06:17 PM
worn
All the differences between the model years that... Oct 21 2014, 07:00 PM
Jeff Bowlsby Hey Warren,
Damaged conductors such as those wi... Oct 21 2014, 11:49 PM
Mark Henry I have the good luck of having a good harness. Whe... Oct 22 2014, 07:14 AM
gerakroo Finally ready, our first 914-6 main and engine har... Oct 27 2014, 05:22 AM
altitude411 YES! Nice work. :Qarl: What is the projected... Oct 27 2014, 07:01 AM
Luke M Does the main harness come with all the available ... Oct 27 2014, 01:37 PM
gerakroo
Does the main harness come with all the available... Oct 28 2014, 09:17 AM
SixerJ Wow, talk about timing. I have a specialist in Ger... Oct 30 2014, 08:31 AM
Kansas 914 The 12 pole female connector has always been a pro... Oct 30 2014, 09:09 AM
gerakroo
The 12 pole female connector has always been a pr... Oct 30 2014, 09:51 AM
Dave_Darling
The 12 pole female connector has always been a pr... Oct 30 2014, 11:06 AM
Jeff Bowlsby
The 12 pole female connector has always been a pr... Oct 30 2014, 11:31 AM
altitude411 I like this place more everyday. :popcorn: Oct 30 2014, 10:41 AM![]() ![]() |
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