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> Ca. Smog Law Changes, Another amendment
Allan
post Aug 24 2004, 09:42 AM
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Any politicos here that can interpret this stuff? What happens now that it's been amended or if it dosn't get finalized before the Senate adjourns next month?

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post Aug 24 2004, 05:06 PM
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I have to disagree that the admendment is worthless, but not because of 914s (this really has little to do with 914s). The point that it doesn't change things for cars already exempt is also irrelevant. The bill, btw, still sets the total exemption at 1976, it doesn't move it back to 1966, nor does it set it to 35 years old from 1 April 2005 (when the bill would be in force, if passed). It says, 1976 OR 35 years old (so the 35 year rolling exemption wouldn't start until 2010 the way the DMV does this), with the additional restriction for 1976 and newer cars from 2010 forward that they must be "collector" cars, as defined outside this statute. What it does is open a previously firmly closed door.

The way I see it, even if this bill dies (which now seems likely), the tree-hugger crowd will continue to try and kill the 30-year rolling exemption somehow. They'll not give up, and will continue to refine their approach until a bill DOES pass. What I want to see is a replacement I can live with.

This amendment opens the door for providing a replacement for the 30 year exemption I'd agree with: remove the visual component of the smog test for all cars. If you pass the tailpipe test, and meet some minimum "visual" standards (the amendment specifically mentions a fuel cap test and requires you aren't "leaking liquid fuel"), you pass the smog test. I'd support such a bill, even if it pushed the date back to 1966, since it would now be possible for owners to update their cars to keep them clean, and not have to continue to use OEM emissions parts that are increasingly unavailable or very expensive, and which didn't work very well in the first place. The aftermarket would be able to provide generic emissions parts for a wide® range of cars w/o having to run the odious and expensive CARB testing regime, so they'd benefit. The owners could continue to legally tinker with and drive their cars at a reasonable cost, so they'd benefit. The air would be cleaner, so we'd all benefit. The only losers would be people who insist on using concours correct cars on the road, which is a small fraction of the number of car owners, even owners of "classics".

The way this bill has been amended shows me that it's very unlikely that what's happened so far (moving the exemption year from 1965 to 1975) will be undone. This doesn't appear to be politically viable, even to the people who support the idea of removing the exemption. The early amendments only strengthened the position that this exemption would stand, and this latest amendment doesn't change that. I think the position of all but 1976 914s is secure (and if this bill dies, it's likely 1976 would be the new cutoff for any more attempts, so ALL 914s would be exempt).

btw, another bill to pay attention to is AB1615, which is referenced in this amendment. The bills reference each other, each saying they won't take effect if the other passes. I haven't read it in detail, but it appears to be a measure intended to close a loophole involving out-of-state registration.
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Headrage   Ca. Smog Law Changes   Aug 24 2004, 09:42 AM
lapuwali   Very, very interesting. My read on this is that t...   Aug 24 2004, 10:19 AM
dmenche914   WARNING, DANGER! This Bill is still BULL, t...   Aug 24 2004, 01:18 PM
Marty Yeoman   Am I wrong or does it say: Sec 2 Section 44011 of...   Aug 24 2004, 01:46 PM
!   Has to go thru BOTH houses again....my opinion the...   Aug 24 2004, 02:16 PM
Headrage   (6) Prior to Ja...   Aug 24 2004, 03:05 PM
dmenche914   Right now, current law is 30 year rolling exemptio...   Aug 24 2004, 03:29 PM
lapuwali   I have to disagree that the admendment is worthles...   Aug 24 2004, 05:06 PM
dmenche914   then again, if my car was 35 plus years old, and r...   Aug 24 2004, 07:03 PM
Brad Roberts   You'll love this: BUY BOXSTERS... :D B   Aug 24 2004, 07:08 PM
dmenche914   Geer Ugh, oh well, Had to come to that, but I rat...   Aug 24 2004, 07:29 PM
Cap'n Krusty   "Maybe all 914's are exempt. I don't think...   Aug 24 2004, 08:10 PM
elwood-914   In Amador County, we don't have manditory smog...   Aug 24 2004, 10:23 PM
Headrage   Additional action has occurred. http://www.leginf...   Aug 25 2004, 10:15 AM
dmenche914   Ok, back to the Assembly, where it already has pas...   Aug 25 2004, 11:12 AM
mikester   If I'm required to pass the tail pipe test and...   Aug 25 2004, 11:56 AM
lapuwali   That's the idea of dropping the visual, which ...   Aug 25 2004, 12:19 PM
Cloudbuster   ...   Aug 25 2004, 12:45 PM
lapuwali   The bill DOESN'T add '66 - '75 cars ba...   Aug 25 2004, 01:09 PM
SirAndy   ...   Aug 25 2004, 01:22 PM
Cloudbuster   ...   Aug 25 2004, 02:05 PM
dmenche914   The real danger is if the 35 year classic exemptin...   Aug 25 2004, 02:55 PM
lapuwali   Dave, you really have to stop being so angry over ...   Aug 25 2004, 04:07 PM
Headrage   Another update. Don't know what it means when...   Aug 26 2004, 12:46 PM
lapuwali   Rule 77 (looked this up) has to do with procedures...   Aug 26 2004, 01:28 PM
Headrage   Anyone know how we could collectively oppose this ...   Aug 26 2004, 01:31 PM
Headrage   Here's another update. What the hell does all...   Aug 27 2004, 10:56 AM
Headrage   Sorry, was so pissed I forgot to add the link. :an...   Aug 27 2004, 11:00 AM
dflesburg   What do you expect from the place that made it oka...   Aug 27 2004, 11:17 AM
mikester   I know they are trying to get this in before the s...   Aug 27 2004, 11:49 AM
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Headrage   Actually wouldn't it be '76 and older if i...   Aug 27 2004, 12:14 PM
lapuwali   Yes, but if this bill passes into law, the cutoff ...   Aug 27 2004, 12:26 PM
Headrage   I don't know if this is good or bad. I notice...   Aug 28 2004, 09:44 PM
Headrage   :bump:   Aug 29 2004, 03:40 PM
dmenche914   Not a clue what that means, but there is the the A...   Aug 29 2004, 04:55 PM
!   It's dead....2nd year bills rarely pass.....   Aug 29 2004, 05:56 PM
Brando   my comment from this post on PAPBB: California al...   Aug 29 2004, 09:24 PM
!   First off...MOST if not ALL of the crappy re-tread...   Aug 29 2004, 09:29 PM
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