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pilothyer
post Nov 2 2014, 08:40 PM
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I am interested in building a 2270 engine. From what I can see I will need a stroker crank with a 78 mm throw. I am concerned about which rod to choose. I have seen stroker cranks with VW type 1 journals as well as 2.0 liter and chevy. I have noticed variations in rod lengths as well. I am in need of some advise on a good, proven combination. I know there are many good engine builders on his forum that could share their knowledge on this subject so please do...............Thanks
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Jake Raby
post Nov 3 2014, 07:41 PM
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. Just remember that HP=heat.

Not if it adds efficiency.

Its all in the combo.
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post Nov 5 2014, 06:18 AM
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QUOTE(Jake Raby @ Nov 3 2014, 05:41 PM) *

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. Just remember that HP=heat.

Not if it adds efficiency.

Its all in the combo.

Not correct. Efficient or not more HP equals more heat. That's physics.

For proven 2270 parts combinations try www.shoptalkforums.com, the Type4um. Fifteen years of discussion there. What's "best" is a matter of opinion, but generally 96mm sleeves, a 78.4mm crank (offset ground 2.0) with VW T1 rod journals and T1 rods, I or H-beam. With that combination the piston pin height is different, so the Keith Black for the application depending on the rod length you choose. Chromoly pushrods and 44x38 heads with a split-duration cam like a Web 86b/163. Look on Shoptalk for specifics, there are a lot of variations on those basics.
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QUOTE(DBCooper @ Nov 5 2014, 04:18 AM) *

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. Just remember that HP=heat.

Not if it adds efficiency.

Its all in the combo.

Not correct. Efficient or not more HP equals more heat. That's physics.


Only if operating at WOT, or under heavy load, using that power.

Time and time again we find larger engines, making more power, that run cooler. This is due to the engine producing higher efficiency, not using as much of the engine's power to propel the vehicle.

We even see this when pushing around a 2 ton load. If the engine makes double the power, it still takes the same amount of power to propel the vehicle, meaning a lesser percentage of the larger engine's net power is being used, which means the engine sees less percentage of load when compared to stock.

The car doesn't know that the engine is larger.
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pilothyer   2270 Build   Nov 2 2014, 08:40 PM
Hine62   Check out: Your Current Type IV Build Engine Build...   Nov 3 2014, 05:39 AM
Mark Henry   Use the type 1 rod journal, stock type 1 length CB...   Nov 3 2014, 08:48 AM
pilothyer   Use the type 1 rod journal, stock type 1 length C...   Nov 3 2014, 04:26 PM
grimmel   OR....insert a used non-turbo Subie 2.5....and nev...   Nov 3 2014, 11:59 AM
Jetsetsurfshop   I did a 78mm crank and had to clearance the case. ...   Nov 3 2014, 06:19 PM
Hine62   I did a 78mm crank and had to clearance the case....   Nov 3 2014, 09:00 PM
Jetsetsurfshop   I did a 78mm crank and had to clearance the case...   Nov 3 2014, 09:27 PM
Jake Raby   Not if it adds efficiency. Its all in the combo.   Nov 3 2014, 07:41 PM
DBCooper   Not if it adds efficiency. Its all in the combo...   Nov 5 2014, 06:18 AM
Jake Raby   Not if it adds efficiency. Its all in the comb...   Nov 5 2014, 07:32 AM
craig downs   That's true, my head temp always run at 275 - ...   Nov 3 2014, 07:52 PM
Jetsetsurfshop   That's true, my head temp always run at 275 -...   Nov 3 2014, 07:57 PM
Jake Raby   That's true, my head temp always run at 275 -...   Nov 3 2014, 08:28 PM
Jetsetsurfshop   That's true, my head temp always run at 275 ...   Nov 3 2014, 08:55 PM
DBCooper   Sure, if you never use WOT you won't produce m...   Nov 5 2014, 07:47 AM
davep   It really comes down to fuel consumption; fuel = h...   Nov 5 2014, 07:57 AM
Jake Raby   He's talking about a street car here. Sure he...   Nov 5 2014, 08:28 AM
DBCooper   Odd, I never knew that you were a Physicist. No ...   Nov 5 2014, 10:12 AM
Jake Raby   My advice is to make so much power that all of i...   Nov 5 2014, 10:35 AM
r_towle   My advice is to make so much power that all of ...   Nov 5 2014, 02:58 PM
Jake Raby   My advice is to make so much power that all of...   Nov 5 2014, 05:15 PM
r_towle   [quote name='r_towle' post='2106728' date='Nov 5 ...   Nov 5 2014, 05:32 PM
Dave_Darling   Part of the disagreement would appear to be that y...   Nov 5 2014, 10:40 AM
Jake Raby   Part of the disagreement would appear to be that ...   Nov 5 2014, 11:17 AM
DBCooper   I never said that more power does not increase mo...   Nov 5 2014, 12:27 PM
gereed75   not to jump in (there are plenty of people already...   Nov 5 2014, 01:01 PM
Jake Raby   And some never do. I have guys that have been ...   Nov 5 2014, 02:23 PM
Jake Raby   I knew what you were doing.. No biggie. I bet tha...   Nov 5 2014, 05:37 PM
r_towle   This is your business, everyone knows that. For ma...   Nov 5 2014, 05:39 PM
Jake Raby   This is your business, everyone knows that. For m...   Nov 5 2014, 07:40 PM
r_towle   This is your business, everyone knows that. For ...   Nov 10 2014, 06:08 PM
Jake Raby   [quote name='Jake Raby' post='2106830' date='Nov ...   Nov 10 2014, 06:58 PM
r_towle   [quote name='Jake Raby' post='2106830' date='Nov...   Nov 11 2014, 07:04 AM
JimN73   This thread brings up a couple of things that I ha...   Nov 10 2014, 10:45 AM
Woody   If you built a 2.4 with huge bore and a small stro...   Nov 11 2014, 07:26 AM
Jake Raby   Here's the 2.6L MassIVe engine thats in my 356...   Nov 11 2014, 08:58 AM
Jake Raby   Here's a pic of the engine just after being bo...   Nov 11 2014, 08:59 AM
McMark   I knew there was a reason I didn't open this t...   Nov 11 2014, 01:36 PM
Woody   I knew there was a reason I didn't open this ...   Nov 11 2014, 01:39 PM
r_towle   Have you tried Solex carbs?   Nov 11 2014, 02:54 PM
Jake Raby   Have you tried Solex carbs? Absolutely.. Solid ...   Nov 11 2014, 09:08 PM
r_towle   Agreed on dells but I really became fond of the So...   Nov 11 2014, 09:10 PM
Jake Raby   Agreed on dells but I really became fond of the S...   Nov 11 2014, 09:24 PM


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