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pilothyer
post Nov 2 2014, 08:40 PM
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I am interested in building a 2270 engine. From what I can see I will need a stroker crank with a 78 mm throw. I am concerned about which rod to choose. I have seen stroker cranks with VW type 1 journals as well as 2.0 liter and chevy. I have noticed variations in rod lengths as well. I am in need of some advise on a good, proven combination. I know there are many good engine builders on his forum that could share their knowledge on this subject so please do...............Thanks
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Jake Raby
post Nov 5 2014, 08:28 AM
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Sure, if you never use WOT you won't produce more heat. So who builds a performance engine and never uses wide open throttle?

He's talking about a street car here. Sure he can use WOT without issue, because by the time the engine sees enough load to become heat soaked, the driver will either kill himself or will go to jail. Sustained periods of heavy load are the enemy, luckily when producing more power, the instances that warrant these sustained loads are reduced, on the street.

When using this power on the street the cooling system has plenty of time to recover so heat soak does not occur. I see this in testing all the time, and its how I can build a 284 HP 2.9 liter T4 and have it run 75 degree cooler CHT on pump gas. This is how a lot of guys with all sorts of turbo charged engines can get away with running high boost levels.

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An internal combustion engine is only about 30 percent efficient and the other 70 is heat. No one changes that. If/when that higher HP performance engine gets onto a track or is driven for any amount of time at WOT or under load you need to disperse more heat. Making it more efficient only means the percentage you have to disperse is a bit less, but double the HP and it's still a LOT more heat, regardless. That's physics, no getting around it.


Odd, I never knew that you were a Physicist.

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QUOTE(Jake Raby @ Nov 5 2014, 06:28 AM) *

Odd, I never knew that you were a Physicist.

No need to be, Jake, just pay attention in high school.

Nothing you've said changes the fact that more HP equals more heat. What you've said is that it doesn't matter for most people because they'll never generate enough extra heat to cause problems, or that part throttle doesn't create as much heat. Of course, but that wasn't the question. When you double the power (or potential power) you double the heat (or potential heat). That's a law of nature that you aren't changing.

So your advice is to use part throttle to keep the heat down? Good to know.
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pilothyer   2270 Build   Nov 2 2014, 08:40 PM
Hine62   Check out: Your Current Type IV Build Engine Build...   Nov 3 2014, 05:39 AM
Mark Henry   Use the type 1 rod journal, stock type 1 length CB...   Nov 3 2014, 08:48 AM
pilothyer   Use the type 1 rod journal, stock type 1 length C...   Nov 3 2014, 04:26 PM
grimmel   OR....insert a used non-turbo Subie 2.5....and nev...   Nov 3 2014, 11:59 AM
Jetsetsurfshop   I did a 78mm crank and had to clearance the case. ...   Nov 3 2014, 06:19 PM
Hine62   I did a 78mm crank and had to clearance the case....   Nov 3 2014, 09:00 PM
Jetsetsurfshop   I did a 78mm crank and had to clearance the case...   Nov 3 2014, 09:27 PM
Jake Raby   Not if it adds efficiency. Its all in the combo.   Nov 3 2014, 07:41 PM
DBCooper   Not if it adds efficiency. Its all in the combo...   Nov 5 2014, 06:18 AM
Jake Raby   Not if it adds efficiency. Its all in the comb...   Nov 5 2014, 07:32 AM
craig downs   That's true, my head temp always run at 275 - ...   Nov 3 2014, 07:52 PM
Jetsetsurfshop   That's true, my head temp always run at 275 -...   Nov 3 2014, 07:57 PM
Jake Raby   That's true, my head temp always run at 275 -...   Nov 3 2014, 08:28 PM
Jetsetsurfshop   That's true, my head temp always run at 275 ...   Nov 3 2014, 08:55 PM
DBCooper   Sure, if you never use WOT you won't produce m...   Nov 5 2014, 07:47 AM
davep   It really comes down to fuel consumption; fuel = h...   Nov 5 2014, 07:57 AM
Jake Raby   He's talking about a street car here. Sure he...   Nov 5 2014, 08:28 AM
DBCooper   Odd, I never knew that you were a Physicist. No ...   Nov 5 2014, 10:12 AM
Jake Raby   My advice is to make so much power that all of i...   Nov 5 2014, 10:35 AM
r_towle   My advice is to make so much power that all of ...   Nov 5 2014, 02:58 PM
Jake Raby   My advice is to make so much power that all of...   Nov 5 2014, 05:15 PM
r_towle   [quote name='r_towle' post='2106728' date='Nov 5 ...   Nov 5 2014, 05:32 PM
Dave_Darling   Part of the disagreement would appear to be that y...   Nov 5 2014, 10:40 AM
Jake Raby   Part of the disagreement would appear to be that ...   Nov 5 2014, 11:17 AM
DBCooper   I never said that more power does not increase mo...   Nov 5 2014, 12:27 PM
gereed75   not to jump in (there are plenty of people already...   Nov 5 2014, 01:01 PM
Jake Raby   And some never do. I have guys that have been ...   Nov 5 2014, 02:23 PM
Jake Raby   I knew what you were doing.. No biggie. I bet tha...   Nov 5 2014, 05:37 PM
r_towle   This is your business, everyone knows that. For ma...   Nov 5 2014, 05:39 PM
Jake Raby   This is your business, everyone knows that. For m...   Nov 5 2014, 07:40 PM
r_towle   This is your business, everyone knows that. For ...   Nov 10 2014, 06:08 PM
Jake Raby   [quote name='Jake Raby' post='2106830' date='Nov ...   Nov 10 2014, 06:58 PM
r_towle   [quote name='Jake Raby' post='2106830' date='Nov...   Nov 11 2014, 07:04 AM
JimN73   This thread brings up a couple of things that I ha...   Nov 10 2014, 10:45 AM
Woody   If you built a 2.4 with huge bore and a small stro...   Nov 11 2014, 07:26 AM
Jake Raby   Here's the 2.6L MassIVe engine thats in my 356...   Nov 11 2014, 08:58 AM
Jake Raby   Here's a pic of the engine just after being bo...   Nov 11 2014, 08:59 AM
McMark   I knew there was a reason I didn't open this t...   Nov 11 2014, 01:36 PM
Woody   I knew there was a reason I didn't open this ...   Nov 11 2014, 01:39 PM
r_towle   Have you tried Solex carbs?   Nov 11 2014, 02:54 PM
Jake Raby   Have you tried Solex carbs? Absolutely.. Solid ...   Nov 11 2014, 09:08 PM
r_towle   Agreed on dells but I really became fond of the So...   Nov 11 2014, 09:10 PM
Jake Raby   Agreed on dells but I really became fond of the S...   Nov 11 2014, 09:24 PM


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