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| Hank914 |
Nov 3 2014, 12:17 AM
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I earlier added to the "what you did today thread" but I thought I would start a new thread with some more details on my transaxle troubles.
So I recently installed by rebuilt tranny after the PNW tranny clinic. I also converted from tail to side shift, and all the bushings. The previous owner (40 yrs) rebuilt the engine after 97k miles in 2007, but afaik did nothing on the tranny. The bushings were shot. Last weekend, after logging 120 test miles around Central Oregon, I thought I'd take her down to the Bay Area. About 130 miles into the trip, I hear a loud bang and spin a 360 into the ditch. During the fun, I figured I had a blowout. But not tire problems just a locked up rear differential. I pulled the tranny and this is what I saw. (Please excuse the large photos, but it adds detail) So I opened up the tranny case and found some interesting stuff. Pictures to follow... |
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| Dr Evil |
Dec 6 2014, 12:38 AM
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Well, I have received and have have had time to go through the guts of the tranz. Interesting things found. Lets start with the main culprit that caused the casualty. The roller bearing in 1sy gear failed and welded the pinion shaft to the gear. Thus, the tranz was always in 1st. You can see where this would be a problem when you select 5th.
![]() Above of the gear is what the roller bearing should look like. ![]() The race of the int plate bearing was welded to the washer that goes between first and the bearing. You can see the discoloration on the washer from the heat. So, why the hell did this bearing fail? Great question, and a great time for some teaching on a very fine point in rebuilding that I have only come across about 2 times. The bearing and the inner race should be able to pass through the gear with very little friction (basically none if kept parallel to the gear face). I salvaged the dog teeth off of the old, welded 1st as they were in perfect shape. I installed them on the new 1st and then checked everything for fit. That is when I noticed that when the roller bearing and inner race were pushed through to the side of the gear with the dog teeth, it started to bind and eventually stuck. This was odd. I took the dog teeth off and everything pushed through without effort. So, the teeth likely shrank the ID of the gear by such a slight amount that every thing bound up and failed. I put a different set of teeth on the gear and tried everything again and noted that the roller and inner race moved through the gear with no issues. So, likely scenario is that the dog teeth were manufactured to poor tolerance, closed the ID of the dog teeth side of the gear by a small amount when installed, caused the roller bearing to bind, which welded everything together, and caused the stack to seize. The easy lesson; if stuff is sticking, look for a cause. The only other casualties from this; 5th gear had one tooth with a mark on it so 5th was swapped, and the large pinon roller bearing had wear on the race. Hopefully folks can learn from this. Always good to share things like this. |
Hank914 Transaxle trouble Nov 3 2014, 12:17 AM
Hank914 Here are some more pictures of the damage...
L... Nov 3 2014, 12:23 AM
Hank914 Here are a couple more pics...
And a close up.... Nov 3 2014, 12:29 AM
396
Here are a couple more pics...
And a close up...... Nov 5 2014, 08:53 AM
Hank914 So, any ideas on...
1). :WTF: made that piece d... Nov 3 2014, 12:33 AM
Dave_Darling 2) Not very often!
3) In very high-torque appl... Nov 3 2014, 01:20 PM
chads74 I had the transmission on my high school 914 lock ... Nov 4 2014, 07:57 AM
6freak PNW tranny clinic :beer3: ...theres always someone... Nov 4 2014, 09:01 AM
Dr Evil Not sure what 6freak is talking about, but to addr... Nov 5 2014, 08:11 AM
6freak
Not sure what 6freak is talking about,
just say... Nov 7 2014, 08:50 AM
jkb944t I don’t see any gulling of the remaining section... Nov 5 2014, 12:05 PM
Hank914
I don’t see any gulling of the remaining sectio... Nov 5 2014, 01:12 PM
Dr Evil I am wondering what the diff guts look like. There... Nov 5 2014, 02:42 PM
Jonathan Livesay
I am wondering what the diff guts look like. Ther... Nov 5 2014, 02:52 PM
jkb944t
I am wondering what the diff guts look like. Ther... Nov 6 2014, 12:03 PM
Tbrown4x4 Did you experience any tire slip and then regain t... Nov 6 2014, 02:00 PM
Hank914
Did you experience any tire slip and then regain ... Nov 6 2014, 05:14 PM
nine9three That seal looks really high. Was it like that bef... Nov 6 2014, 03:26 PM
Tbrown4x4 Well, I'll be following this with great intere... Nov 6 2014, 06:11 PM
Hank914
Well, I'll be following this with great inter... Nov 7 2014, 09:28 AM
Dr Evil That seal is high. Not out of tolerance, but not w... Nov 6 2014, 09:52 PM
Dr Evil Well, I was not drunk at this clinic and I am not ... Nov 7 2014, 09:00 AM
Hank914
Well, I was not drunk at this clinic and I am not... Nov 7 2014, 09:39 AM
6freak
Well, I was not drunk at this clinic and I am not... Nov 9 2014, 12:38 AM
Dr Evil Whats the diff look like? A sheared roll pin at th... Nov 7 2014, 09:32 AM
Hank914
Whats the diff look like? A sheared roll pin at t... Nov 7 2014, 09:42 AM
Dr Evil Nah, save the money on shipping unless you really ... Nov 7 2014, 09:48 AM
Hank914
Nah, save the money on shipping unless you really... Nov 7 2014, 05:54 PM
rhodyguy The recent colonic was nothing was nothing like th... Nov 7 2014, 09:55 AM
Mr.242 Take a 40 year old transmission. Rebuild it to new... Nov 7 2014, 10:07 AM
Hank914
Take a 40 year old transmission. Rebuild it to ne... Nov 7 2014, 10:18 AM
Dave_Darling No brewskies, just coffee and donuts.
Well, that... Nov 7 2014, 10:54 AM
veekry9
[url=https://www.google.ca/#q=fatigue++cracks+i... Nov 7 2014, 12:40 PM
Hank914 More pics. The big piece is from the pinion.
The ... Nov 7 2014, 04:43 PM
Hank914 The differential. The quarter is for reference onl... Nov 7 2014, 04:50 PM
SirAndy And now some close ups
:unsure: Nov 7 2014, 04:53 PM
Hank914 Here is a pic of the quarter next to the other sid... Nov 7 2014, 04:53 PM
Dr Evil How about the guts of the diff? I expect the gear ... Nov 7 2014, 05:24 PM
Hank914 Guts looked clean. Both bearings spin freely. Pi... Nov 7 2014, 05:32 PM
Steve :hide:
Maybe that quarter caused it!! Ju... Nov 7 2014, 05:37 PM
Hank914 Pics galore.
Nov 7 2014, 05:43 PM
Hank914 More
Nov 7 2014, 05:46 PM
Hank914 Last two
I think this bearing is usable.
Nov 7 2014, 05:50 PM
Dr Evil No need for any of the clips, just as long as the ... Nov 7 2014, 07:19 PM
Hank914
No need for any of the clips, just as long as the... Nov 7 2014, 11:59 PM
Hank914
No need for any of the clips, just as long as th... Nov 8 2014, 12:01 AM
Dave_Darling Are you going to re-use anything from that trans? ... Nov 7 2014, 11:37 PM
Dr Evil Interesting. Such damage done by one tooth from th... Nov 8 2014, 05:21 AM
veekry9 Illuminating. Dec 6 2014, 10:20 AM
rhodyguy do you know if one of the new bearing sets were in... Dec 6 2014, 12:44 PM
Dr Evil The failed bearing was a needle bearing and not on... Dec 6 2014, 04:29 PM
veekry9 I presume the negative clearance on the synchro ri... Dec 6 2014, 05:03 PM
Dr Evil They are pressed on. No NASA shit here. Pretty sim... Dec 6 2014, 08:22 PM
veekry9 SOP in any m/c shop cool the male heat the female.... Dec 6 2014, 10:55 PM![]() ![]() |
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