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> HOW TO: run the fuel pump for carb conversions, the easy solution!
SirAndy
post Feb 25 2005, 06:41 PM
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Back by popular demand, Sir Andy's "HOW TO" series presents:

HOW TO: Run the fuel pump for carb conversions

There are numerous tech. articles out there that cover this issue.
When you switch from the stock FI to carburetors, you have to install a low pressure carb fuel-pump.
But, since the FI fuel pump is controlled by the FI brain, removing the brain means the wires to the fuel pump won't give you 12V ...

There are a lot of "band-aid" solutions out there, some people remove the pump relay and add a jumper there, others even run the pump off the coil!
While all those solutions work (more or less) they all lack one thing, you're now running the pump without a relay! (and in case of the coil, without fuse as well)

The best (and also easiest!) solution is to trick the relayboard into believing that the FI-Brain is still connected ...

And it's as simple as connecting one wire from the 4-prong FI connector to ground.
You keep the stock fuel pump relay and fuse and you use the stock wires to power the new fuel pump.
Below you'll see 2 pictures showing how to attach the wire. on the pump side, simple make 2 more extension wires with "male" connectors on one end and plug them into the stock (roundish) plug for the stock fuel pump.
No need to hack into the original harness!!!

This install is clean and simple! (and cheap!)

In the pics below the thick red wired replaces the FI-Brain ...
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post Nov 3 2011, 12:26 PM
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Another "twist" to this approach . . . .

Because the pump will run as long as the key is in the "on" position, I wired a fuel pump inertial switch (from a Ford (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) ) into the wire running from the 4-prong FI connector to ground (the "red" wire in Andy's pictures). That way if the car is in an accident, the ground is "interrupted" and the fuel pump stops (NOTE: this is a little different from Ford's approach, which puts the switch on the hot side of the pump instead of the ground).

Here's a picture of the switch:

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The switch costs 25-30 new at your FLAPS; I got a couple of used ones at the local pick-n-pull for a couple of bucks each.

These switches have been known to go bad once in a while, but mine has been good for a couple of years.

Here's a link to a site that provides some good info on the switch:

http://www.therangerstation.com/tech_libra...rtiaSwitch.html

Instructions for installing the Smart Racing Products (SRP) version of the switch are here:

http://www.smartracingproducts.com/pdfdocs...fuelshutoff.pdf

My switch is currently mounted near the ground post just forward of the relay board cover. I'm thinking of putting it in the + side like Ford did--and as recommended in the SRP instructions. Then I should be able to mount the switch somewhere in the passenger footwell.

Hope this helps!
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QUOTE(anderssj @ Nov 3 2011, 12:26 PM) *

Another "twist" to this approach . . . .

Because the pump will run as long as the key is in the "on" position, I wired a fuel pump inertial switch (from a Ford (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) ) into the wire running from the 4-prong FI connector to ground (the "red" wire in Andy's pictures). That way if the car is in an accident, the ground is "interrupted" and the fuel pump stops (NOTE: this is a little different from Ford's approach, which puts the switch on the hot side of the pump instead of the ground).

Here's a picture of the switch:

Attached Image

The switch costs 25-30 new at your FLAPS; I got a couple of used ones at the local pick-n-pull for a couple of bucks each.

These switches have been known to go bad once in a while, but mine has been good for a couple of years.

Here's a link to a site that provides some good info on the switch:

http://www.therangerstation.com/tech_libra...rtiaSwitch.html

Instructions for installing the Smart Racing Products (SRP) version of the switch are here:

http://www.smartracingproducts.com/pdfdocs...fuelshutoff.pdf

My switch is currently mounted near the ground post just forward of the relay board cover. I'm thinking of putting it in the + side like Ford did--and as recommended in the SRP instructions. Then I should be able to mount the switch somewhere in the passenger footwell.

Hope this helps!



Now everyone knows to trip the switch to disable your car. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif)

I did that back in 89 while Christmas shopping at the mall. I was driving an old Dodge Aspen, and was waiting for a parking space. The person in the space backed out toward me, and a "Female Dog" in a Lincoln Town car cut right in front of the car backing out and quickly pulled into the space. She jumped from the car and took off into the mall. So I just pulled up and bumped her car with the old Dodge.

Later I came out to put some packages in the trunk of the Dodge, just to hear her grinding away on the starter till the battery died. I went back in the mall and when I came out again, the wrecker was pulling the Town Car out of the parking space.

I so wanted to tell her what happened after the car was on the flatbed on it's way to the shop, but I didn't get the chance.

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SirAndy   HOW TO: run the fuel pump for carb conversions   Feb 25 2005, 06:41 PM
nebreitling   nice one!! straight to classics!...   Feb 25 2005, 06:48 PM
redshift   LOL Do you have more pics? Other angles? Can a pe...   Feb 25 2005, 06:51 PM
MarkV   Thanks, I am riunning mine off the coil. Whats up...   Feb 25 2005, 06:51 PM
914GT   Hey Andy... wouldn't a good German use a brown...   Feb 25 2005, 07:01 PM
rgalla9146   Hey Andy... wouldn't a good German use a brow...   Apr 5 2018, 06:01 PM
rhodyguy   super andy. http://www.914world...   Feb 25 2005, 07:10 PM
SirAndy   ...   Feb 25 2005, 07:31 PM
scott thacher   heres a minor twist to this system, on a 1.8 the f...   Feb 25 2005, 09:13 PM
914rat   I did this conversion and it didn't work.Where...   Nov 3 2011, 10:54 AM
McMark   Third position...   Nov 3 2011, 11:09 AM
Elliot Cannon   I powered my pump from this pin.   Nov 3 2011, 12:20 PM
anderssj   Another "twist" to this approach . . . ....   Nov 3 2011, 12:26 PM
ClayPerrine   Another "twist" to this approach . . . ...   Feb 7 2015, 04:28 PM
Elliot Cannon   Now everyone knows to trip the switch to disable ...   Feb 8 2015, 10:37 PM
Steve Pratel   Hmmm, anyone know how this would apply to the 912E...   Feb 8 2015, 03:05 PM
patssle   The awesome side-effect of this is you can easily ...   Feb 8 2015, 03:10 PM
Steve Pratel   So I've been researching how this applies to t...   Aug 27 2015, 09:50 PM
SKL1   Just got two of those inertia fuel cut off switche...   Aug 29 2015, 09:47 PM
Jonathan Livesay   HOW TO: Run the fuel pump for carb conversions I...   Apr 5 2018, 01:24 PM
SirAndy   I tried this on my '74 with carbs which had be...   Apr 5 2018, 02:05 PM
Jonathan Livesay   I tried this on my '74 with carbs which had b...   Apr 5 2018, 02:47 PM
SirAndy   Yes sir. I even put all 4 relays and both fuses in...   Apr 5 2018, 03:20 PM
Jonathan Livesay   Yes sir. I even put all 4 relays and both fuses i...   Apr 5 2018, 04:21 PM
SirAndy   Oops sorry the other tab, the "last ditch...   Apr 5 2018, 04:30 PM
Jonathan Livesay   Oops sorry the other tab, the "last ditch...   Apr 5 2018, 08:15 PM
SirAndy   So if all else fails I could run off the 12V side ...   Apr 5 2018, 08:20 PM
Jonathan Livesay   So if all else fails I could run off the 12V side...   Apr 5 2018, 09:50 PM
MarkV   Both relays need to be in place and working.   Apr 5 2018, 02:07 PM
porschetub   I had to do that "hack" because the corr...   Apr 5 2018, 07:07 PM
Noonan   So what's the correct fuse size for the fuel p...   Apr 6 2018, 09:27 AM
SirAndy   So what's the correct fuse size for the fuel ...   Apr 6 2018, 10:27 AM
Noonan   Oh yeah, there it is, had to zoom way in. Thank...   Apr 6 2018, 11:10 AM
Mark Henry   If you're like me, /6 conversion with no relay...   Apr 6 2018, 11:02 AM
mtndawg   Hi, resurrecting a classic. I have a 1975 and the ...   Apr 15 2019, 11:20 AM
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