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| R_u_dd |
Jul 25 2015, 11:09 PM
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Member ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 154 Joined: 3-March 14 From: Grants Pass, Oregon Member No.: 17,072 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Blue Porscheru Conversion
I started this project back in May of 2014 and wanted to share the journey with my friends and family. There's something appealing to people about taking a left-for-dead vehicle and bringing it back to life. I hope this build thread is a bit different than the others. It's a Subaru conversion which is not as common. I am/was a newbie. This is my first car restoration, if you can call it that. My welds are not pretty, but I've improved and learned throughout this process. This is a great car for a first restoration. It's light, simple, and very cool- mid engine with a targa top. This is the plan- We are starting with a 1971 tangerine 914 with light to moderate rust, nothing too serious. The original engine was a 1.7. Like so many other 914's it ran but has been sitting for a long time. The engine seems too far gone to try to rebuild it= lots of rust and corrosion. Powerplant: 2003 Subaru Impreza TS 2.5 SOHC, Natuaral- No Turbo, Why? Plenty of Power for me and no turbo lag. See Engine Choices thread. Transmission: Subaru 5MT 2003 Impreza TS ECU from: 2003 Subaru Impreza TS Electronics: Wiring Harness simplified by Small Car Performance Axles: 944 axles and CV's with Subaru inside CV- 4 lug for now. 914 suspension. No fender flares Voltage Blue Metallic: (Honda color), Painted Sail Panels. Before Pictures (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i1301.photobucket.com-17072-1486250894.1.jpg) The Future Look- Concepts The 914 visualizer, a very cool app. Current Look: (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/www.imgur.com-17072-1607919164.1.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/www.imgur.com-17072-1607919164.2.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/www.imgur.com-17072-1607919165.3.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i1301.photobucket.com-17072-1459666779.1.jpg) Contents Axles Blasting Glass Bead Videos Battery Tray Area Battery and Tray Budget Scenarios Brakes Bumper - Valence Clutch Electronics Engine Discussion Engine Mount Engine Work Floor Pans and Engman Kit Fuel Pump Fuel Tank (Cleaning with Electrolysis) Paint Prep and Metal Work Paint Prep Continued Radiator Seats and Interior Seats Re-upholstery Links Transmission Transmission Mount Videos This thread is for entertainment purposes only. I am not a certified mechanic. There are many that have pioneered the suby conversion before me, but this is my story. Hope you enjoy this thread! Chris (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i1301.photobucket.com-17072-1486249676.1.jpg) |
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Jul 26 2015, 12:52 AM
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Member ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 154 Joined: 3-March 14 From: Grants Pass, Oregon Member No.: 17,072 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Subaru Engine Choices - Notes from various posters
From another's Post "What you need to decide is what level of power you want. A 6 cylinder makes the car VERY quick and fast compared to stock. Lots of fun as long as you are ready for the car to become a completely different animal. If you want the feel of an enhanced version of a stock 914 go with a 2.5." Subaru EJ Engine Wikipedia:Subaru Engine Wiki. Engines: HP Weight lbs/hp EJ22 130-160 265 1.96 EJ25 165-200 298 1.81 Ej20tt 240 275 EZ30DR 216-245 315 1.85 EG33 225-275 0.00 EJ18: Found in Imprezas from 1993-1997. Rated at 110hp and 120 ft-lbs EJ22 Phase I: Found in Legacies from 1990-1998 and Imprezas from 1995-1998. Comes rated at 130hp and 137 ft-lbs, 135hp and 140 ft-lbs, or 137hp and 145 ft-lbs. EJ22 Phase II: Found in Legacies in 1999 and Imprezas from 1999-2001. Rated at 142hp and 149 ft-lbs. EJ22-T Phase I: Found in Sport Sedan and Touring Wagons (Legacies) from 1990-1994. Turbocharged and non-intercooled. Rated at 160hp and 181 ft-lbs. Closed Closed deck, cast pistons, forged rods, oil squirters: turbo motor. Poor flowing heads. EJ25 DOHC Phase I: Found in Legacies from 1996-1999, Imprezas in 1998, and Foresters in 1998.in 1997-1999. Rated at either 155hp and 140 ft-lbs in 1996 or 165hp and 162 ft-lbs in 1997-1999. EJ25 SOHC Phase II: Found in Legacies from 2000+, Imprezas from 1999+, and Foresters from 1999+. Rated at 165hp and 166 ft-lbs. There was a slight compression ratio change from 1999-2000 where it went from 9.7:1 to 10.0:1. USDM EJ20: US Domestic Market WRX. Found in 2002+ WRXs. Rated at 227hp and 217 ft-lbs. Turbocharged, intercooled, open deck, and decent heads. EJ25T DOHC: Available in 2004 in the Forester XT. Rated at 210hp and 235 ft-lbs. Turbocharged, intercooled, VVTi (Variable Valve Timing), and drive by wire. EJ25T-STi DOHC: Available in 2004 in the WRX STi. Rated at 300hp and 300 ft-lbs. Turbocharged, intercooled, AVCS (Active Valve Control System), drive by wire, intercooler sprayer, and semi-closed design. EZ30R: Canbus Electronics require an aftermarket ECU for $2,000 (Not) Found in the 2005–2009 Legacy 3.0R, Outback 3.0R and 2006–2008 Tribeca. EZ30D: found in 2000-2003 outback and legacy’s. At roughly 212 chp from the factory, it seems to have the lowest hp number of the bunch. You can tell the difference between the others by the aluminum intake and its single exhaust port heads (looks like a long slot or oval) as compared the later 6’s or the metal timing cover/size when compared to the eg33. It has two plus sides when compared to the latter EZ’s, cheap drive by cable, non CANBUS and you can pick this up for around $1-2k. Furthermore the 212hp mark is deceiving, both the intake and exhaust is extremely constricting on the donor car and from the swaps that have been done/dyno’d (in the Subaru world) just upgrading to something less restrictive will put power up to 230-240 CHP. The EZ30D (according to Ian from Coldwater914.com) ranks motor highest in comparison to the other options in this category. Due to its more modern design and timing chain (that does not need to be service for the life of the engine) it is smaller/lighter and more reliable than the eg33. On the other hand the ECU on the EZ30D substantially less expensive than the EZ30R and EZ36R. However to clarify it does not have the VVT or AVCS of the later EZ’s. More on the EJ22.. The EJ22 engine is part of Subaru's EJ series that was intended to replace the EA series of engines. This particular engine was first used in 1990 in the Subaru Legacy. It also saw use in the Outback from 1995 to 1996 and in the Impreza from 1995 to 2001. There are two generations of EJ22 available through the large inventory on eBay. The EJ221 is the first model and featured 135 boiler horsepower at 5,800 rpm. The EJ222 is the second, starting production in 1999, and it featured 142 boiler horsepower at 5,600 rpm. All EJ series engines are horizontal flat-four cylinders with 16 valves and both single and dual overhead camshaft configurations were produced. These engines feature two rows of two horizontally opposed cylinders that help to balance one another while the engine is running. This makes for a smoother ride and a lighter engine as additional balancing components are not required to keep the engine from knocking around while in operation. The EJ22 engine is efficient, reliable, and contributes to the long life of many Subaru vehicles. There are actually a couple different varients of EJ22's in terms of actual parts. Ive counted 4, each with different HP numbers. Anyway, the single port heads are actually in the more recent models... 99-01 I believe. And there was discussion before about how the MY96 EJ22 had lighter weight rocker arms that might add horsepower to other model EJ22's, but thats kind of off topic... Here are the HP/Torque numbers for various years: 99-01: Horsepower: 142 hp Max Horsepower: 5600 rpm Torque: 149 ft-lbs. Max Torque: 3600 rpm 97-98: Horsepower: 137 hp Max Horsepower: 5400 rpm Torque: 145 ft-lbs. Max Torque: 4000 rpm 95-96: Horsepower: 135 hp Max Horsepower: 5400 rpm Torque: 140 ft-lbs. Max Torque: 4400 rpm 93-94: Horsepower: 130 hp Max Horsepower: 5400 rpm Torque: 137 ft-lbs. Max Torque: 4400 rpm The bore and stroke are same on the 93-96 2.2's, 3.82x2.95 but the compression ratio is 9.7:1 for the 95-96 as opposed to 9.5:1 for the 93-94. T he camshaft elevation is different between the two as well as the valve spring height. The main bearing journal diameter is different along with the connecting rod journal diameter (slightly, .0001 difference). The piston ring gap bottom compression is different between the two. I cant tell if any part numbers are different though, im just looking at specification numbers from my chiltons guide. Sucks there isnt a newer guide for the other models though... Cant help past MY96 Links: Subaru 2.X Build Thread on NASIOC Franken Motor or Mix and Match various parts Engine Build Discussion NASIOC Franken Motor- (2.2L heads on 2.5L Block) franken motor shopping list 2.5 block with 2.2 heads NA Horsepower Subaru engine swap How to pull a WRX engine Engine Tear Down I want to build a 2.x engine "Built Motor Discussion" Links to Great Threads Pull your own motor. Lots-o-pics |
R_u_dd Blue Porscheru Conversion Jul 25 2015, 11:09 PM
R_u_dd Favorite Subaru Conversion Threads:
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I look forward to wa... Jul 26 2015, 06:42 AM
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Paint for $1000 - ? Missing a "0"?... Jul 27 2015, 09:40 AM
R_u_dd Floor Pans
One of the first tasks was to replace ... Jul 26 2015, 03:21 PM
R_u_dd Electronics
When you think about it...
it's ... Jul 26 2015, 11:28 PM
76-914 :Qarl: Another frigging Subarite! Welcome to t... Jul 27 2015, 05:58 PM
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:Qarl: Another frigging Subarite! Welcome to ... Jul 27 2015, 06:53 PM
rhodyguy Wow! Great thread. Warrants a trip to the ... Jul 27 2015, 06:14 PM
Mike Bellis Grafting two electrical systems is not that hard i... Jul 27 2015, 07:04 PM
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Just for a reference. I bought the Sawtooth build... Jul 29 2015, 08:28 AM
DBCooper I would assume both engines would lose a proportio... Jul 29 2015, 09:21 AM
Andyrew Read the first half of my progress thread for pain... Jul 28 2015, 08:11 AM
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Read the first half of my progress thread for pai... Jul 29 2015, 08:31 AM
Andyrew
I really like your thread ([url=http://www.914w... Jul 29 2015, 01:10 PM
R_u_dd Blasting
After hours of sanding and slow progress... Jul 29 2015, 10:46 PM
R_u_dd Engine Work
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[quote name='mgp4591' post='2217009' date='Jul 31... Aug 1 2015, 11:19 AM
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sean_v8_914 that blue 914 pic is at my shop...many years ago. ... Jul 30 2015, 12:53 PM
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that blue 914 pic is at my shop...many years ago.... Jul 30 2015, 10:31 PM
whitetwinturbo Pictures!
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Pictures!
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The blue car on post #... Jul 30 2015, 10:29 PM
R_u_dd Battery Tray Area Rehab
Most people might conside... Aug 1 2015, 12:52 AM
R_u_dd Cool Videos
Porsche 914-6 Race Practice At Targa ... Aug 1 2015, 01:41 PM
R_u_dd Electrolysis Gas Tank Cleaning.
Like so many othe... Aug 5 2015, 11:42 PM
R_u_dd Paint Prep and Final Metal Work
After the Bead Bl... Sep 11 2015, 08:33 PM
DBCooper You're doing great work. That's a really ... Sep 11 2015, 09:00 PM
zambezi should have fixed the rust on the inside wheel wel... Sep 12 2015, 09:10 AM
R_u_dd Engine Mount
The inspiration for the engine mount... Sep 26 2015, 11:41 AM
shoguneagle HOW DID THIS THREAD ESCAPE ME? I thought I kinda ... Sep 27 2015, 04:16 AM
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HOW DID THIS THREAD ESCAPE ME? I thought I kinda... Sep 27 2015, 06:12 AM
R_u_dd Radiator
Some background and research:
Radiator ... Sep 27 2015, 07:20 AM
JRust Wow that radiator does look really small. I've... Sep 27 2015, 04:58 PM
R_u_dd
Wow that radiator does look really small. I'v... Sep 27 2015, 05:03 PM
Chris H.
Wow that radiator does look really small. I'v... Sep 27 2015, 07:25 PM
914forme Griffen rates that rad at 600HP with their electri... Sep 27 2015, 05:28 PM
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Griffen rates that rad at 600HP with their electr... Sep 27 2015, 08:17 PM
Mike Bellis I'm worried about your engine mount. My rotary... Sep 27 2015, 07:36 PM
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I'm worried about your engine mount. My rotar... Sep 27 2015, 08:16 PM
Mike Bellis
[quote name='Mike Bellis' post='2244152' date='Se... Sep 27 2015, 08:33 PM
R_u_dd Transmission Mount
From the Subaru 5MT Transmissi... Oct 10 2015, 12:48 PM
76-914 Smart move. :D Your moving right along. Looks lik... Oct 10 2015, 06:02 PM
R_u_dd Axles
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsi... Nov 14 2015, 05:48 PM
DBCooper I'd say you're too far. You say it's ... Nov 14 2015, 06:24 PM
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I'd say you're too far. You say it's... Nov 14 2015, 09:04 PM
DBCooper http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i255.... Nov 14 2015, 10:28 PM
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To know about max angles give Sway-a-Way a call.... Nov 14 2015, 11:37 PM
DBCooper That's my son's car. It uses a Coldwater ... Nov 15 2015, 08:16 AM
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Also a WRX but unfortunately the previous owner d... Nov 15 2015, 09:40 AM

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Also a WRX but unfortunately the previous owner ... Nov 15 2015, 09:54 AM
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And those Sway-a-ways were later swapped out for ... Nov 15 2015, 07:42 PM
76-914 :agree: Nov 15 2015, 05:03 PM
R_u_dd [size=3]Calculating the Angle of the CV joint.
[u... Nov 15 2015, 10:18 PM
R_u_dd Bumper
The idea with the bumper was to deflect ai... Feb 13 2016, 04:12 PM
ahycaramba I can't wait to see your finished product on t... Feb 16 2016, 03:39 AM
R_u_dd Seats and Interior
After much deliberation, I hav... Feb 13 2016, 04:59 PM
R_u_dd Seats and Re-Upholstery info:
Re-Upholstery-Auto... Feb 13 2016, 09:54 PM
veekry9 I'm glad you like it.
I drew this largemouth l... Feb 14 2016, 12:48 PM
R_u_dd Yes, I really like that look for the form and func... Feb 14 2016, 04:31 PM
veekry9 https://www.gimp.org/
Some people can use a camer... Feb 14 2016, 11:01 PM
R_u_dd Paint Prep Continued...
The metal work and prepar... Feb 28 2016, 10:52 AM
914forme Interesting fender cut outs, I like them Mar 1 2016, 08:01 PM
R_u_dd Yes the radiator vent holes. I figured that the tr... Mar 2 2016, 11:40 PM
whitetwinturbo :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: Mar 2 2016, 11:58 PM
R_u_dd Painting Begins
I can't wait to post these ph... Mar 27 2016, 11:01 AM
R_u_dd We got some paint on the panels yesterday and clea... Apr 2 2016, 11:27 PM
ahycaramba Great progress!!! Looking good!... Apr 2 2016, 11:34 PM
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Great progress!!! Looking good!... Apr 2 2016, 11:45 PM
whitetwinturbo :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: Apr 3 2016, 01:46 PM
R_u_dd The big reveal today. Scott finished the logo. H... Apr 6 2016, 10:53 PM
914forme
The big reveal today.
[center][img]http://www.91... Apr 7 2016, 08:43 AM
whitetwinturbo :headbanger: :headbanger: :headbanger: Apr 6 2016, 11:15 PM
Andyrew That looks great!!! Apr 7 2016, 09:15 AM
R_u_dd The painting is almost finished. We cut and buffe... Apr 24 2016, 11:53 PM
R_u_dd Rocker Panels (They look like a pair of skis, don... Apr 25 2016, 09:50 PM
JRust Love the blue bud. I even like the logo you made u... Apr 25 2016, 10:07 PM
R_u_dd
Love the blue bud. I even like the logo you made ... Apr 25 2016, 10:59 PM
JRust Hey it's looking great man. I like the logo li... Apr 25 2016, 11:29 PM
R_u_dd Progress on the Blue Porscheru over the last coupl... Jun 28 2016, 12:53 AM
falcor75 That looks great, love the badge details and the c... Jun 28 2016, 01:12 AM
914forme Cars coming together nicely :popcorn: Jun 28 2016, 09:37 AM
R_u_dd [b]Gauges, Gauges and More Gauges
The original lo... Oct 2 2016, 02:04 PM
76-914
[size=5][b]Gauges, Gauges and More Gauges
The or... Oct 3 2016, 07:59 AM
veekry9
Very nice indeed.
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