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post Sep 23 2004, 07:29 AM
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Since I did not allow replies to my poll, it fell off of the first page pretty quickly. To this point, the results are not surprising. They are reflective of what we are seeing from the legitimate polling organizations.

If you haven't voted, please do so.

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QUOTE(thomasotten @ Sep 23 2004, 08:34 PM)
Ok, to you people out there that think the electoral college is stupid, and outdated, please consider why it is there. We are the "United State of America", meaning a group of states capable of making their own laws, that have joined together for various reasons. For national elections, the states with smaller populations wanted to make sure that the states with larger populations didn't just run rough shod over them. The fear was (and is) that a radical majority, in a few highly populated sates could enact laws that would then be lorded over the rest of the states. So, there needed to be a way of dampening the effects of that radical, concentrated majority. Thus, the electoral college: Each state is guaranteed a minimum number of electoral votes.

So, really, the electoral college is doing it's job very well. Today, for instance, the east and west coasts are more to the extreme when it comes to social values. States like the one I live in, Texas, are very different. In 2000, we saw both coasts vote for Al Gore, wheras the more rural states went for Bush. So Gore narrowly won by popular vote, while Bush won by land area. So you may argue, shouldn't Gore be President because he got more votes? The answer, unfortunatley for Gore is, no. Yes, he got more votes, but his appeal wasn't broad enough to make him win the hearts and minds of enough people in enough states to elect him. When you consider that Gore didn't even win his home state, we can definitley see that the electoral college did it's job. Tennessee is a rural state, and very different from the politician that Gore had become. (For instance, as a local politician in Tennessee, Gore was pro-life, and much in keeping with his state. When Gore became a national politician, he became pro-abortion.) So, if Gore would have won his home state, none of that stuff in Florida would have mattered. So it really, was Tennesse, not Florida that tipped the scale for Bush, and caused him to win the election.

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Of course, there is one element in our democracy that is rendering the electoral college and the rest of representative democracy null and void. I speak of the tyrannical judges, that are overrulling the will, and vote, of the people when, as in the recent case in Massachusetts, they told the legislature what law they had to write, and by what date.

It's a cute map, do you remember what the raw (direct) vote was? If we had no electoral college the people(remember them) would have elected Al Gore. He was the raw vote winner, for better or worse, like it or not. Some of the big red areas on the map have VERY few folks in them.
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Part Pricer   Virtual bump   Sep 23 2004, 07:29 AM
Howard   Sorry, Paul. Your boy is still behind. :huh:   Sep 23 2004, 08:30 AM
SLITS     Sep 23 2004, 08:59 AM
balljoint   I voted. And I'm Canadian. :P And when I v...   Sep 23 2004, 09:19 AM
Howard   485 visits and 75 votes??? Apathy?   Sep 23 2004, 09:39 AM
MattR   2 terms = 8 years (each term is 4 years). W still...   Sep 23 2004, 09:46 AM
Part Pricer     Sep 23 2004, 09:52 AM
SirAndy   the tread was gone for a while, then it was locked...   Sep 23 2004, 10:06 AM
balljoint   Okay, so maybe I can't vote in a U.S. election...   Sep 23 2004, 10:11 AM
Howard     Sep 23 2004, 09:32 PM
GWN7   I didn't vote here, but I heard you can go to ...   Sep 23 2004, 10:17 PM
thomasotten   Ok, to you people out there that think the elector...   Sep 23 2004, 10:34 PM
jimtab     Sep 23 2004, 10:43 PM
jimtab   The electoral college was created by wealthy and p...   Sep 23 2004, 10:48 PM
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Meredith   This isn't actually my dream car. I would pre...   Sep 23 2004, 11:52 PM
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