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> if we all agree turbos are less reliable long term...
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post Feb 19 2016, 02:57 PM
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If we all agree that turbo cars are less reliable long term, then how do the new 2017 models stand a chance in lasting 20-40 years or more?

constant rebuilds?

jack stands?

anyone have a thought?

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post Feb 19 2016, 03:38 PM
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It's not so much the Turbos which will cause planned obsolescance of modern cars - but all of the electronics & computers in them to both make them perform mechanically, as well as for all of our "gadgets"!

Once the mandatory 10 or 15 year factory support of replacement parts passes, it will become harder then impossible to get replacement parts - even for the little stuff.

A few weeks ago I go THE last in the USA/NA part - Info. Center PC board for my `85 BMW 325e - & many others are NLA on it, & for our our 88 Westy & just think of what we have to do to keep our 914's ECUs working right.

How the heck will we keep up on 100's of PC Boards & ECUs!!?? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

WE can't just have an Electronic-genius version of Mark W./Mikey914 crank out a few at a future E-914Rubber.com!!

Heck - aftermarket Audio/Nav unit makers cannot even make their unit work properly in the 08 Cayenne S I looked at a few weeks ago, wherein the rear camera opened & closed every time any door or rear hatch opened or closed - & it was supposedly made exclusively for it's Bose Audio/Nav/PCM unit! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

BTW - I'm only looking at normally aspirated Cayenne S V8's so I don't have the complications & added expense of a turbo engine, & without the problematic & future NLA air suspension (GTS also has the Air Susp.).

So that's my 2 cents IMHO! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

Cheers! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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dflesburg   if we all agree turbos are less reliable long term...   Feb 19 2016, 02:57 PM
matthepcat   Turbo whats? Modern turbo cars in general with go...   Feb 19 2016, 03:03 PM
BeemerSteve   My 1997 Ford F-250 7.3 powerstroke is still return...   Feb 19 2016, 03:07 PM
brant   my opinion about modern cars is that they do last ...   Feb 19 2016, 03:27 PM
Mueller   If we all agree that turbo cars are less reliable...   Feb 19 2016, 03:28 PM
Tom_T   It's not so much the Turbos which will cause p...   Feb 19 2016, 03:38 PM
brooks944   I had a 944 Turbo for 12 years. Never had a turbo...   Feb 19 2016, 03:55 PM
Andyrew   Turbo reliability was a problem 30 years ago. Not ...   Feb 19 2016, 03:59 PM
DBCooper   Interesting reading this, I've had the same di...   Feb 19 2016, 04:19 PM
Mueller   Interesting reading this, I've had the same d...   Feb 19 2016, 08:55 PM
Chris914n6   The next machine might not be so lucky, we've...   Feb 20 2016, 01:26 AM
brant   I think a set of 6 high pressure fuel injectors fo...   Feb 19 2016, 04:24 PM
Cracker   Just replaced all six injectors last Saturday in m...   Feb 19 2016, 08:36 PM
brant   Just replaced all six injectors last Saturday in ...   Feb 19 2016, 09:17 PM
slotty008   I had a BMW 530d for 9 years; The turbo blew up af...   Feb 19 2016, 04:26 PM
Steve Pratel   I think 'more complex' is a better descrip...   Feb 19 2016, 04:58 PM
Chris914n6   I think most of the OEM turbos are ceramic ball be...   Feb 19 2016, 05:27 PM
ThePaintedMan   Surely you mean a 718?!? Otherwise I need to e...   Feb 19 2016, 05:33 PM
Steve Pratel   Surely you mean a 718?!? Otherwise I need to ...   Feb 19 2016, 08:54 PM
Mike Bellis   It comes down to modern fuel and spark/knock manag...   Feb 19 2016, 06:20 PM
Cracker   Brant - No odometer??? :confused: No I wasn...   Feb 19 2016, 09:47 PM
RickS   Had a 91 Audi 200 turbo with 225k on the original ...   Feb 20 2016, 09:56 AM
whitetwinturbo   New factory turbo setups WILL be an issue when car...   Feb 26 2016, 05:28 PM
Elliot Cannon   All this leads me to believe that the end of the i...   Feb 27 2016, 01:42 AM
slotty008   All this leads me to believe that the end of the ...   Feb 27 2016, 06:11 AM
somd914   All this leads me to believe that the end of the ...   Feb 27 2016, 06:33 AM
914forme   :agree: But that also bring opportunity. I will g...   Feb 27 2016, 07:19 AM
Elliot Cannon   This thread was originally about turbo cars. Some...   Feb 27 2016, 11:50 AM


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