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> 901 ZF LSD rebuild, 30 years of parts collecting pays off
mgphoto
post Feb 18 2016, 01:40 PM
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Hello,
I started collecting parts of this project 30 years ago and the last parts have fallen into place.

In this post I hope to clear up some confusion and convey some of what I found trying to complete this project.

First piece
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purchased form PAR in Yonkers NY 1986 914.332.209.00 casting number 51D

The LSD found its way to me in 2013 from the venerable Cap'n Krusty

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The diff needed some work as it was missing internal spring plates which are NLA.
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Item number 4 in this factory illustration.
This part places tension on the clutch pack which is measured as drag.
The factory spec on this is 29 - 58 ft. lbs

This item can be replaced by what is now called a "cup" spring from and early 928
part no. 928.332.555.00
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seen here as item number 10

As for the internal wear parts, the 914 parts are NLA but, get this they are replaced by mostly 917 parts! WAY COOL.

Just the beginning, stay tuned!
Mike


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post Feb 19 2016, 11:16 PM
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OK here are a few tidbits about the ZF LSD.

Below is a link to thesamba.com website, lots of good info there too.
ZF LSD Diffs

This image shows all of the LSD diffs that are for 911's '64 - '88 this includes the 914, I thought someone would be interested in the variations.

We are interested in the late 901.
The image shows the external dimensions.

The late 901 ZF LSD which I will call the 914 from here on require a different transmission drive flange from stock. The 914.332.209.00 which has a longer output shaft than the standard flange 914.332.209.10, about 63 mm long, about 5 mm longer than the stock flange.
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Here is a picture showing that dimension.
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This image is the 901.332.209.21 it has the same shaft but the flange takes a larger cv joint about 110 mm, this is a good upgrade if power is on your mind.



At this point I have to mention that there are a number of output flanges out there but they don't fit.
There is one for sale on Ebay part number 914.332.209.00/10 it has the correct length shaft but it has 2 flaws.
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Looks pretty good but looks can be deceiving. The land for the oil seal is 5 mm longer than necessary so this negates the longer shaft. Additionally the shaft itself is almost 2 mm thinner than the 914.332.209.00.

I bought one to see if it was possible to use. I took it to a machine shop to see if it could be modified. The answer is basically no. The flange is hardened steel, so all of the steel lathe tools would bounce off the piece not cutting it, I would have to try a machine shop that specialized in grinding as stones may be able to cut the material, but that still left the 2 mm difference in the shaft, which I am sure, after time would begin to vibrate and shake itself loose. Not a pleasant thought.

I've had one of the drive flanges on my shelf for years and I had to search for another, that was not easy. I searched the web and found a few sites with the part number but each time I ordered I received either a stock flange or some other incorrect number that looked good to someone else ie: 914.332.109.02 This is exactly the same dimensions as the stock unit but I can not find any parts catalog with this number.

So here is the biggest problem with using this LSD the drive flanges are rare as hens teeth. And the /6 guys think they have it tough finding parts.
OK more to come later.
Mike
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mgphoto   901 ZF LSD rebuild   Feb 18 2016, 01:40 PM
jd74914   I didn't realize there was a factory Salisbury...   Feb 18 2016, 02:09 PM
mgphoto   OK here are a few tidbits about the ZF LSD. Below...   Feb 19 2016, 11:16 PM
Mueller   Maybe you can find a shop that does hard turning? ...   Feb 20 2016, 12:06 AM
oldie914   The 901 332 209 21 flange was used for the early 1...   Feb 20 2016, 04:09 AM
mgphoto   The 901 332 209 21 flange was used for the early ...   Feb 20 2016, 11:12 AM
rgalla9146   This is great information. I look forward to t...   Feb 20 2016, 07:09 AM
oldie914   I decided to inventory my flange collection and pr...   Feb 21 2016, 05:36 AM
mgphoto   Hey oldie914 thanks, I was hoping you could help w...   Feb 21 2016, 10:36 AM
396   Thanks for this detailed information / education. ...   Feb 21 2016, 02:11 PM
rgalla9146   Are the 928 and 917 (!!!!!...   Feb 21 2016, 09:46 PM
mgphoto   Are the 928 and 917 (!!!!!...   Feb 23 2016, 10:02 AM
oldie914   When installing a new seal, clean the rust off the...   Feb 22 2016, 03:20 AM
mgphoto   When installing a new seal, clean the rust off th...   Feb 22 2016, 09:51 PM
veekry9   For those desiring a custom flange,I'm sure th...   Feb 22 2016, 11:55 AM
sixnotfour   911 owners do this more often than not when back...   Feb 22 2016, 12:43 PM
396   911 owners do this more often than not when bac...   Feb 22 2016, 01:44 PM
ThePaintedMan   Not to hijack, but I thought this was pertinent: ...   Feb 22 2016, 07:05 PM
mgphoto   OK so at this point I though I should get some ref...   Feb 23 2016, 09:49 AM
mgphoto   OK here is the list of internal parts and my measu...   Feb 28 2016, 10:57 PM
mgphoto   Now for the measurements of some new parts. Belle...   Mar 6 2016, 04:36 PM
396   Now for the measurements of some new parts. Bell...   Mar 6 2016, 07:08 PM
396   Now for the measurements of some new parts. Bel...   Mar 8 2016, 12:30 PM
mgphoto   [quote name='396' post='2312227' date='Mar 6 2016...   Mar 1 2017, 08:46 PM
jd74914   The diff looks so similar to the BMW e30 LSDs. IIR...   Mar 6 2016, 07:32 PM
mgphoto   The diff looks so similar to the BMW e30 LSDs. II...   Mar 7 2016, 12:03 PM
jd74914   Thank you! Now I just have to find my BMW mode...   Mar 7 2016, 01:10 PM
r_towle   You gave me hope. I don't feel like such a pro...   Mar 8 2016, 08:46 PM
mgphoto   Another small step for me, one giant leap for my t...   Apr 10 2017, 06:48 PM
rgalla9146   Is it possible to test a LSD on the bench ? Can...   Apr 10 2017, 07:38 PM
mgphoto   Is it possible to test a LSD on the bench ? Ca...   Apr 11 2017, 10:29 AM
914forme   Clamp one side in a vice. Take a torque wrench, y...   Apr 11 2017, 10:45 AM
jd74914   Not sure that will truly give you a full assessmen...   Aug 31 2017, 10:20 AM
mgphoto   Not sure that will truly give you a full assessme...   Aug 31 2017, 10:56 AM
jd74914   Since I am using new friction plates, the unit wi...   Aug 31 2017, 12:08 PM


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