if we all agree turbos are less reliable long term... Options

[dflesburg]

If we all agree that turbo cars are less reliable long term, then how do the new 2017 models stand a chance in lasting 20-40 years or more?

constant rebuilds?

jack stands?

anyone have a thought?

[DBCooper]

Interesting reading this, I've had the same discussion with friends and with people in the electronics industry. The conclusion there is the same as here, that the electronics maintenance problems for old cars will be too expensive or impossible to overcome, so off to the scrapyard.

Obviously that's cheery news for auto manufactures, but there's something even more interesting there for owners of old cars. Old cars will tend to keep on running, generally unaffected by problems with electronics. Well, those that don't rust away, anyway. As that continues over time there will be a widening gap between our "non-electronic" cars and the oldest of the functioning "electronics" cars. So bonus, that often times pain in the ass you have out in the garage will become even more special than it is today, be known as one of the "runs always and forever" cars.

[Mueller]

Interesting reading this, I've had the same discussion with friends and with people in the electronics industry. The conclusion there is the same as here, that the electronics maintenance problems for old cars will be too expensive or impossible to overcome, so off to the scrapyard.

Obviously that's cheery news for auto manufactures, but there's something even more interesting there for owners of old cars. Old cars will tend to keep on running, generally unaffected by problems with electronics. Well, those that don't rust away, anyway. As that continues over time there will be a widening gap between our "non-electronic" cars and the oldest of the functioning "electronics" cars. So bonus, that often times pain in the ass you have out in the garage will become even more special than it is today, be known as one of the "runs always and forever" cars.

Already happening in the Manufacturing segment. I repair CNC machining equipment along with wafer process equipment (assemblies that sputter/deposit or etch silicon wafers).

Generally the mechanical parts are still good after 20+ years but the electronics are getting harder to find when parts go up in smoke due to abuse or just from being turned on for 24/7 for years and years.

Luckily for a customer a few months ago I was able to source some oddball small capacitors from a company I found via google that buys and sells surplus electronic parts. This was to repair their -10K voltage supply unit to get it back into service, the parts only cost .50cents each, I needed 10 but had to buy like 100. Still cheaper than buying a rebuilt unit for $7000 or upgrading the machine for about $50K!

The next machine might not be so lucky, we've sent some really, really nice CNC mills and lathes to the salvage yard due to obsolete electronics. Sure they can be retrofitted but still very expensive and usually not very cost effective when you count the labor to do so.

At least for cars depending on what electronic part failed there should be some hope...who knows maybe in 20 years Megasquirt will come to the rescue to get an '03 GT3 back on the road if a Bosch ecu isn't available anymore (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Chris914n6]

The next machine might not be so lucky, we've sent some really, really nice CNC mills and lathes to the salvage yard due to obsolete electronics. Sure they can be retrofitted but still very expensive and usually not very cost effective when you count the labor to do so.

Next time you get one hobby/home garage size let me know. Beats building one. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer.gif)