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> Accelerator Cable for Dual Carbs ?
cary
post May 8 2016, 07:55 AM
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In putting Mark's engine back in and replacing the broken accelerator cable. It seems the cable isn't quite long enough to work/fit correctly. In the FI arrangement the cable crosses the engine at 45 degrees. In dual carbs it needs to come at the bar at 90 degrees. Which pulls the bowden out of the firewall. Which will allow water down the cable tube.

What have others done to work around this ?
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Darren C
post May 10 2016, 01:25 AM
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Thanks for the kind comments.
I can understand your hope in making the CSP linkage you have “work to a fashion” which is a no cost option for you; but the title of the thread is accelerator cable related.
The fact of the matter is, the CSP linkage places the cable in line with the crankcase join, leading to having to re-route, bend and re-support the cable in an awkward way that will lead to length and binding issues. However “neat” you may think the CSP linkage initially looks, it isn’t a good product and will always have the inherent engineering faults that will cause issues.
As a very low cost compromise you could cut (hacksaw) off the short arm where the throttle cable connects, install the linkage and set the 45 Deg angle, adjust the rods to the carbs then weld the cut off short cable arm back on at a new angle in line with where the cable should run in a stock layout. You’ll need to make up a new small support bracket for the cable so that it can run at the natural angle it needs, to avoid all the issues.

RG,
The tangerine racing cable system is SHOCKING. Do you really think that that is good engineering??
Ok, you may go “ooooo” & ahhhhh” when you slap eyes on it, but really; its bloody stupid, over engineered and damn right dangerous.
Again your take off the Weber levers? Then fit pulley wheels with a counterbore in which to refit the lever retaining nut….so theres no provision then for the tab lock washer??
There is slotted brackets on which slotted brackets and eyebolts fit to hold the cable! This is BAD engineering and gives scope for the whole damn thing moving out of alignment.
You then link Carb A to B with a Bowden cable! So you are totally reliant upon Carb B’s return spring to keep the cable tension as well as return the throttle to idle when you lift off the gas pedal!!!
This in itself is plain stupid and dangerous as there is potential for not only imbalance in the control of the Twin carbs but also a chance that Carb B may stick open if the cable sticks or the return spring on Carb B breaks or weakens.
With age the Bowden cables will increase in resistance between the Carbs and to some minor extent suffer with heat expansion & contraction.
There is also a risk you run a cable off the pulley in a jam situation.
On rapid throttle operation the cable resistances will effect balanced “snap shut” responses between carbs. This will promote poor fuel balance and cause at best “popping” or at worst unwanted surge when you desire engine braking.
At least with a metal bar link rods you get positive shut off and proportional opening & closing between Carbs.
There is also the problem of running the accelerator cable to the first carb in this set up. The stock cable is either going to be too long or too short!

The whole Tangerine set up is intrinsically dangerous!
It’s a great example of “the emperors new clothes” engineering by someone without a clue of the big picture.
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cary   Accelerator Cable for Dual Carbs ?   May 8 2016, 07:55 AM
rfinegan   Take a look by the pedal cluster and the pivot for...   May 8 2016, 08:13 AM
somd914   Take a look by the pedal cluster and the pivot fo...   May 8 2016, 08:27 AM
rhodyguy   Is the linkage on the rear of the carbs?   May 8 2016, 08:35 AM
cary   Is the linkage on the rear of the carbs? I...   May 8 2016, 08:47 AM
cary   Cable itself is long enough. But when I use the ac...   May 8 2016, 08:36 AM
somd914   Cable itself is long enough. But when I use the a...   May 8 2016, 08:44 AM
cary   Cable itself is long enough. But when I use the ...   May 8 2016, 08:49 AM
rhodyguy   I don't recall the inner sheath sticking out t...   May 8 2016, 09:11 AM
cary   That ones in the garbage can. Busted and the barre...   May 8 2016, 09:16 AM
MarkV   My set up might be different because of the a/c co...   May 8 2016, 09:18 AM
cary   That's where it needs to come from. That will ...   May 8 2016, 09:22 AM
SA-914   This is what I have so far. But the pedal feels l...   May 8 2016, 09:59 AM
Darren C   WTF SA-914 That bellcrank linkage geometry is AL...   May 8 2016, 02:13 PM
somd914   Looks like SA914 is running a CSP linkage system. ...   May 8 2016, 07:06 PM
SA-914   Somd914-you got any pics of your installed system?...   May 8 2016, 09:32 PM
Darren C   From reading the installation manual somd914 kindl...   May 9 2016, 12:51 AM
somd914   I can post a few pics tonight. But for keeping it...   May 9 2016, 03:53 AM
Darren C   The KISS comment is aimed at CSP for bringing to m...   May 9 2016, 05:15 AM
somd914   The KISS comment is aimed at CSP for bringing to ...   May 9 2016, 05:35 PM
dcecc1968   When I switched to dual webers with hexbar and rep...   May 9 2016, 06:29 AM
cary   Dang, I didn't know that there was quite this...   May 9 2016, 07:09 AM
rgolia   Get the tangerine racing cable system...what a dif...   May 9 2016, 04:26 PM
SA-914   Got it. Just need to shorten my bracket to get it...   May 9 2016, 07:12 PM
Darren C   Thanks for the kind comments. I can understand you...   May 10 2016, 01:25 AM
ThePaintedMan   The tangerine racing cable system is SHOCKING. Do...   May 10 2016, 08:59 AM
Darren C   The tangerine racing cable system is SHOCKING. D...   May 10 2016, 09:17 AM
yeahmag   RG, The tangerine racing cable system is SHOCKIN...   May 12 2016, 03:21 PM
rhodyguy   If YOU can build a better mouse trap do so. Let it...   May 10 2016, 10:34 AM
rgolia   Well sorry I chimed in and thanks for defending Ch...   May 10 2016, 12:54 PM
Darren C   Ok, time out. George, Please change anger & ...   May 10 2016, 03:05 PM
Racer Chris   If any of the vendors visit this site or if any o...   May 12 2016, 03:46 PM
Darren C   If any of the vendors visit this site or if any ...   May 12 2016, 04:05 PM
ThePaintedMan   You're just too smart for the rest of us Darr...   May 12 2016, 05:00 PM
rgolia   Darren, All good here. I understand where you are...   May 10 2016, 03:30 PM
rhodyguy   So, your bluntness can be acceptable and explained...   May 10 2016, 04:04 PM
Darren C   So, your bluntness can be acceptable and explaine...   May 10 2016, 04:10 PM
rhodyguy   Of course! BUT, considering the other linkag...   May 10 2016, 04:16 PM
Darren C   I'll give you that one. But genetically you k...   May 10 2016, 04:22 PM
cary   Is it me, or is the bar style dual carb linkage pr...   May 10 2016, 06:12 PM
somd914   Is it me, or is the bar style dual carb linkage p...   May 10 2016, 06:37 PM
cary   I'll retract that statement/question. I didn...   May 10 2016, 08:21 PM
Darren C   Cary, Sometimes you have to go with your gut feeli...   May 12 2016, 05:44 AM
somd914   If anything I'd say the DD with FI has an is...   May 12 2016, 04:03 PM
Darren C   Ok Aaron, Lets look at what I wrote and what you ...   May 12 2016, 03:44 PM
rhodyguy   Muddied the fucking water? Dude, you tore the link...   May 12 2016, 04:28 PM
Darren C   Muddied the fucking water? Dude, you tore the lin...   May 12 2016, 04:35 PM
rhodyguy   Ok one more since you have now made personal. As o...   May 12 2016, 04:58 PM
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Darren C   You're gonna need a bigger boat.   May 13 2016, 07:35 AM
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Darren C   Thanks jd, much appreciated. I waste a lot of my l...   May 13 2016, 02:06 PM
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Darren C   Exactly Rhodyguy, thanks.(Is that you cutting your...   May 14 2016, 06:10 AM
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Darren C   Somd914, I’m sorry you feel the thread was hi j...   May 14 2016, 01:17 PM
somd914   Darren, Fair enough, I appreciate your taking the...   May 14 2016, 02:44 PM
Darren C   Thanks Scott. On a lighter note... https://www.y...   May 15 2016, 01:19 AM
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