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> Relationship between idle jets and idle mix screws
era vulgaris
post May 9 2016, 04:06 PM
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How much can one compensate for the other?
For example, with larger jets and idle screws further in, could you tune a set of carbs identically to another set of the same carbs that had smaller jets with the mix screw further out?

I want to experiment with going a little leaner at idle and seeing how my engine likes it. I'm trying to decide if I should order a smaller set of idle jets or if I can achieve the same result by just turning the screws in further. Basically, what is the difference? Don't they achieve the same ends? Obviously there's a limit on the rich side because there's only so much fuel a jet will allow to flow. But if you're trying to lean it out, what's the difference between going to a smaller jet or just turning in the screw?
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post May 10 2016, 07:15 AM
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See if you can achieve a stable idle @ 950rpm.
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post May 10 2016, 07:42 AM
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QUOTE(PancakePorsche @ May 10 2016, 02:21 AM) *

After 3-4 turns out, idle mixture screws are not effective. If you find yourself in that range you should increase idle jet size. I like to be between 1.5-3 turns range for good resolution. this will not effect transition. If your carbs do not have chokes and runs real good when cold, I can assure it will be too rich once warmed up. The 914-6 folks know all about that. Also, timing is everything with carbs. A lot of the time carbs take the blame for wrong initial timing and /or curve. Tuning carbs before timing is putting the cart in front of the horse.


Timing is set at 11 degrees at idle and 28 degrees at 3K rpm, which from what I could gather from searching is Jake Raby's recommendation for a Mallory Unilite. Idle screws are just over 2 turns out.
Carbs don't have chokes (DRLA 40's, in my signature), and run a bit rough when cold. Like I said, 99% of the time everything everything is fantastic. I just have this occasional dropout at idle. When I say I think it's running too rich, I'm talking like maybe 0.5 units on the AFR gauge too rich. Not a massive amount.

QUOTE(rfinegan @ May 10 2016, 06:35 AM) *

IT sounds to me like 1100 rpm is off the idle circuit and into the transitions. try to set the mixtures at a slower speed (less throttle plate opening)Last steps this set the idle speed

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QUOTE(rhodyguy @ May 10 2016, 09:15 AM) *

See if you can achieve a stable idle @ 950rpm.


I'll try and get the idle down a bit. It just doesn't seem stable under 1K rpm, which is also what makes me think it could be due to it being too rich at idle. Every other part of the rpm range is absolutely killer. I'll try turning the mix screws in and stick with the jets for now, and see where that gets me.
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era vulgaris   Relationship between idle jets and idle mix screws   May 9 2016, 04:06 PM
Justinp71   On all the carbs I've worked on the idle screw...   May 9 2016, 04:27 PM
r_towle   First answer, no, it does not work that way. Then,...   May 9 2016, 05:41 PM
era vulgaris   Thanks for the info guys! I already have an o...   May 9 2016, 06:23 PM
rhodyguy   At what rpm does your car idle? Does your car stil...   May 9 2016, 06:40 PM
era vulgaris   It idles around 1100. Yeah I normally roll up to...   May 9 2016, 06:47 PM
rfinegan   It idles around 1100. Yeah I normally roll up t...   May 10 2016, 04:35 AM
somd914   This doesn't answer your question but there is...   May 9 2016, 07:00 PM
PancakePorsche   After 3-4 turns out, idle mixture screws are not ...   May 10 2016, 12:21 AM
rhodyguy   See if you can achieve a stable idle @ 950rpm.   May 10 2016, 07:15 AM
era vulgaris   After 3-4 turns out, idle mixture screws are not...   May 10 2016, 07:42 AM
Justinp71   Yes, AFR gauges are great. Also make sure you don...   May 10 2016, 04:05 PM
r_towle   Talking about heat syncing and how it affects the ...   May 10 2016, 04:13 PM
era vulgaris   I do have phenolic spacers between the heads and t...   May 10 2016, 04:40 PM
r_towle   I saw the thread, was not blind, just bored stiff ...   May 10 2016, 07:25 PM
era vulgaris   Sorry, the missed thread comment was directed at J...   May 10 2016, 09:37 PM
r_towle   Ok, Sounds like a great car that runs perfectly fi...   May 10 2016, 11:05 PM
era vulgaris   Haha, yeah you're probably right. And if this...   May 11 2016, 07:48 AM
r_towle   Thus why I have no gauges in mine....I took out th...   May 11 2016, 07:45 PM


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