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> What is the maximum valve lift?, Is 0.650" possible?
Beebo Kanelle
post Aug 1 2016, 06:23 AM
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What is the most extreme valve lift you've seen on a Type 4 engine?

Thanks in advance.
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Beebo Kanelle
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Thanks for all the replies and help.

The extreme lift with short overlap and long duration seems to be the way to achieve the desired 100 hp /liter with a smooth idle.

But I didn't know if I was pushing the design beyond its capabilities.

I know these questions must sound silly to those who are familiar with the Type 4.

But, I do not have any reference point... hence the question.

Hang on, I'll have additional stupid questions in the future.
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QUOTE(Beebo Kanelle @ Aug 1 2016, 04:30 PM) *

Thanks for all the replies and help.

The extreme lift with short overlap and long duration seems to be the way to achieve the desired 100 hp /liter with a smooth idle.

But I didn't know if I was pushing the design beyond its capabilities.

I know these questions must sound silly to those who are familiar with the Type 4.

But, I do not have any reference point... hence the question.

Hang on, I'll have additional stupid questions in the future.


At what engine speed are you trying for 100 hp/L? In my relatively limited experience short overlap usual means you shy away from the exhaust scavenging gains you'd see at higher engine speeds.

Typically you don't gain very much flow-wise when your "valve shroud area" (I mean the effective outlet flow area-just drawing a blank on the correct term) is much larger than your valve/port area. Obviously, you need some room there for discharge losses, but just doing the simple calculation for a 42mm intake valve shows:

Valve area = 42^2*PI/4 = 1385 mm^2
Flow area @ 16.5mm lift = 42*PI*16.5 = 2177 mm^2

The 1.6x difference makes it seem like you have a ton of extra lift. Do the losses through the valve warrant that kind of lift?

I'm not attacking, just curious and asking questions. Engine modeling is awesome! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Beebo Kanelle   What is the maximum valve lift?   Aug 1 2016, 06:23 AM
HAM Inc   Is .650" possible? Where there's a wallet...   Aug 1 2016, 07:10 AM
stugray   I think Jakes most radical cam (off the shelf) was...   Aug 1 2016, 09:49 AM
HAM Inc   .565" is pushing it without custom parts and/...   Aug 1 2016, 11:01 AM
stugray   .565" is pushing it without custom parts and...   Aug 1 2016, 12:02 PM
Mark Henry   Big question is why would you want that much lift?...   Aug 1 2016, 12:15 PM
Beebo Kanelle   Thanks for all the replies and help. The extreme ...   Aug 1 2016, 03:30 PM
jd74914   Thanks for all the replies and help. The extreme...   Aug 1 2016, 04:19 PM
r_towle   I would suggest you might want to ask these questi...   Aug 1 2016, 03:45 PM
HAM Inc   The hundred hp/liter topic has comes up many times...   Aug 1 2016, 04:08 PM
Beebo Kanelle   Thanks - Its an experiment for my own bone stock...   Aug 1 2016, 04:20 PM
Mueller   Thanks - Its an experiment for my own bone stoc...   Aug 2 2016, 11:12 AM
HAM Inc   I say come up with a plan you think will work and ...   Aug 1 2016, 05:02 PM
Mark Henry   There is also a wall for HP per iron cylinder, tha...   Aug 1 2016, 05:16 PM
messix   modern engines that are ohc have the advantages o...   Aug 1 2016, 05:23 PM
Mblizzard   As the old saying goes, the only thing that beats ...   Aug 1 2016, 06:29 PM
Dave_Darling   IIRC, the Miller cycle is all about asymmetric exp...   Aug 2 2016, 04:11 PM
Beebo Kanelle   Dave, You are absolutely correct. The trick is ...   Aug 2 2016, 06:52 PM
stugray   Dave, You are absolutely correct. The trick is...   Aug 3 2016, 08:33 AM
Mark Henry   With .550 lift you have to run dual springs, steel...   Aug 3 2016, 07:56 AM
barefoot   For a flat faced poppet valve, that is with a 90 d...   Aug 3 2016, 07:34 PM
Jake Raby   .585" is the most we've ever ran.   Aug 4 2016, 12:46 AM


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