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> ALT light troubleshooting. FIXED, Specifically, what makes it come on?
malcolm2
post Jul 31 2016, 06:03 AM
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I noticed the last time i parked that the red "G" light had come on slightly. Got in yesterday and it was on bright and the volt meter was at 10.5. Revving the engine did not help either.

I checked the belt tension and decided to tighten it.

Took a 20 minute drive to Nashville and all was well. At the last stop i saw the dim G light again. Then bright for a while. Then out.

What is the prognosis? I have about 20k miles on the alt wire harness and gel battery. Maybe 10k on the rebuilt alt.
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QUOTE(malcolm2 @ Jul 31 2016, 04:03 AM) *

I noticed the last time i parked that the red "G" light had come on slightly. Got in yesterday and it was on bright and the volt meter was at 10.5. Revving the engine did not help either.

I checked the belt tension and decided to tighten it.

Took a 20 minute drive to Nashville and all was well. At the last stop i saw the dim G light again. Then bright for a while. Then out.

What is the prognosis? I have about 20k miles on the alt wire harness and gel battery. Maybe 10k on the rebuilt alt.


Try:
http://www.pelicanparts.com/techarticles/9...roubleshoot.htm
works well even if it is troubleshooting.
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post Aug 4 2016, 01:55 PM
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QUOTE(worn @ Aug 4 2016, 02:20 PM) *


Try:
http://www.pelicanparts.com/techarticles/9...roubleshoot.htm
works well even if it is troubleshooting.


the following is the TS part of your link:

To trouble-shoot the problem, you need to check the various sections independently. Thus the first check: Connect +12 volts from the battery to the DF terminal on the relay board. This is the maximum field current situation, and should result in maximum output of the alternator. Note that this checks the B+ diodes, the alternator windings, and the common diodes. It does NOT check the D+ diodes.

To check the D+ portion of the system, it is necessary to find out if the D+ output can produce enough current to drive the alternator to full output. To do this, short the D+ and DF terminals on the relay board. This will provide the maximum field current to the alternator that the alternator ITSELF can supply (not the battery, as in the earlier check) and so checks the remainder of the circuitry. If this test puts the light out, then the alternator is good, and the trouble is elsewhere. If it doesn't, then the alternator is almost certainly bad...


Paragraph 2 is what SPOKE suggested and it gave me >16 volts at the battery, but did not put the light out until the output was > 13 volts. But then the light stayed out at all RPMs.

My question is para #1. I don't follow what to do, how to test and measure. It says to put 12v on the relay board DF. I can do that BUT:

is the car running?

am I measuring volts at the battery?

Should the light go out?
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QUOTE(malcolm2 @ Aug 4 2016, 11:55 AM) *

QUOTE(worn @ Aug 4 2016, 02:20 PM) *


Try:
http://www.pelicanparts.com/techarticles/9...roubleshoot.htm
works well even if it is troubleshooting.


the following is the TS part of your link:

To trouble-shoot the problem, you need to check the various sections independently. Thus the first check: Connect +12 volts from the battery to the DF terminal on the relay board. This is the maximum field current situation, and should result in maximum output of the alternator. Note that this checks the B+ diodes, the alternator windings, and the common diodes. It does NOT check the D+ diodes.

To check the D+ portion of the system, it is necessary to find out if the D+ output can produce enough current to drive the alternator to full output. To do this, short the D+ and DF terminals on the relay board. This will provide the maximum field current to the alternator that the alternator ITSELF can supply (not the battery, as in the earlier check) and so checks the remainder of the circuitry. If this test puts the light out, then the alternator is good, and the trouble is elsewhere. If it doesn't, then the alternator is almost certainly bad...


Paragraph 2 is what SPOKE suggested and it gave me >16 volts at the battery, but did not put the light out until the output was > 13 volts. But then the light stayed out at all RPMs.

My question is para #1. I don't follow what to do, how to test and measure. It says to put 12v on the relay board DF. I can do that BUT:

is the car running?

am I measuring volts at the battery?

Should the light go out?

The light will originally allow current to flow from the battery thru the light into the alternator windings. This produces the necessary bootstrapagnetic field to start generating electricity. Eventually the voltage generated will match or slightly exceed the battery, so the light goes out. Should go out. You cannot make alternator power without at least two watts of bootstrap power thru that light bulb. Woe be to the person who tries an LED.
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malcolm2   ALT light troubleshooting. FIXED   Jul 31 2016, 06:03 AM
Rand   If you're lucky, it's just dirty contacts ...   Jul 31 2016, 10:51 AM
jim_hoyland   This write covers your question and a lot more: h...   Jul 31 2016, 05:32 PM
jim_hoyland   Another good source is Ratwell's: http://www....   Jul 31 2016, 06:06 PM
malcolm2   Another good source is Ratwell's: http://www...   Aug 1 2016, 08:16 AM
malcolm2   [quote name='jim_hoyland' post='2378911' date='Ju...   Aug 2 2016, 07:41 PM
Spoke   I took the plastic cover off of the board behind ...   Aug 3 2016, 06:38 AM
malcolm2   You can test the alternator by removing the VR a...   Aug 3 2016, 07:01 AM
malcolm2   I also checked the Ohms on the VR per the Ratwell ...   Aug 3 2016, 07:04 AM
Spoke   site says: I GOT: •D+ and DF - 0.3 o...   Aug 3 2016, 10:59 AM
malcolm2   [quote name='malcolm2' post='2379860' date='Aug 3...   Aug 3 2016, 01:53 PM
Spoke   You can test the alternator by removing the VR ...   Aug 3 2016, 10:54 AM
malcolm2   You can test the alternator by removing the VR...   Aug 3 2016, 03:10 PM
malcolm2   I did "search" but rarely found a fix. ...   Jul 31 2016, 07:35 PM
Rand   .....   Aug 2 2016, 09:18 PM
malcolm2   I started her today and after a 10 minute warm u...   Aug 2 2016, 09:22 PM
jim_hoyland   This type of problem has always baffled me too; :...   Jul 31 2016, 08:01 PM
bretth   I haven't had the opportunity to dive into my ...   Jul 31 2016, 10:30 PM
catsltd   Mine did the same as your car.Even the 10.5 volt t...   Aug 1 2016, 08:24 AM
Rand   [edited] I saw that too late. :D You're on it.   Aug 2 2016, 09:28 PM
malcolm2   just checking around to purchase a VR, if needed. ...   Aug 3 2016, 11:14 AM
Spoke   Definitely a good sign. It shows the alternator ca...   Aug 3 2016, 04:45 PM
malcolm2   Definitely a good sign. It shows the alternator c...   Aug 3 2016, 04:58 PM
Spoke   The alternator seems to be at least providing volt...   Aug 4 2016, 09:36 AM
malcolm2   The alternator seems to be at least providing vol...   Aug 4 2016, 09:57 AM
Spoke   The alternator seems to be at least providing vo...   Aug 5 2016, 10:09 AM
worn   I noticed the last time i parked that the red ...   Aug 4 2016, 01:20 PM
malcolm2   Try: [url=http://www.pelicanparts.com/techarticl...   Aug 4 2016, 01:55 PM
worn   Try: [url=http://www.pelicanparts.com/techartic...   Aug 4 2016, 05:35 PM
Spoke   Paragraph 2 is what SPOKE suggested and it gave m...   Aug 5 2016, 10:23 AM
malcolm2   How many times have you repeated the DF/D+ short...   Aug 5 2016, 11:42 AM
Spoke   [quote name='Spoke' post='2380889' date='Aug 5 20...   Aug 5 2016, 02:14 PM
malcolm2   Heading home now. FedEx said they are should be th...   Aug 5 2016, 02:56 PM
malcolm2   well damn, I did the D+/DF short test once more an...   Aug 5 2016, 03:36 PM
malcolm2   Cancel that post.... 4th time I got the light to ...   Aug 5 2016, 03:49 PM
ClayPerrine   Sounds like something in the alternator wiring. I ...   Aug 6 2016, 06:50 AM
Spoke   Sounds like something in the alternator wiring. I...   Aug 6 2016, 09:18 AM
malcolm2   Sounds like something in the alternator wiring. I...   Aug 6 2016, 11:27 AM
malcolm2   The bitch is out. I rang out all 4 wires and they ...   Aug 8 2016, 07:49 PM
Spoke   I have tested diodes on an alternator but you have...   Aug 9 2016, 12:19 PM
malcolm2   I took mine and 1 other unknown spare for testing ...   Aug 9 2016, 02:25 PM
malcolm2   Rebuilder said the brushes were worn down enough t...   Aug 10 2016, 12:57 PM
malcolm2   3.5 hours and the rebuilt alt is in. No heat excha...   Aug 11 2016, 07:33 PM
Spoke   Nice! :beer2:   Aug 12 2016, 07:15 PM


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