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| Mblizzard |
Oct 3 2016, 07:18 AM
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Advanced Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,033 Joined: 28-January 13 From: Knoxville Tn Member No.: 15,438 Region Association: South East States |
I am pretty happy with my stock FI. But after seeing some of the setups at Okteenerfest, I thought this might be worth trying.
The stock system is not easy to modify and get things running correctly. I spent a lot of time making minor adjustments by trial and error. While I am not looking for huge HP gains or anything, it is pretty clear that the mods I have could potentially benefit from a bit more precise control. Going to start with fuel only at this point to get things going and see where it leads me. Any help or suggestions for set up would be appreciated. |
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| jd74914 |
Oct 5 2016, 10:30 AM
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Its alive ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 4,875 Joined: 16-February 04 From: CT Member No.: 1,659 Region Association: North East States |
Oops, just read your more recent post and saw that you want to use the coil for timing. Having increased resolution on the crank allows you better engine positioning accuracy so you can tune injection/ignition times better. Different applications, but generally better engine position accuracy results in a crisper tune.
With a T4 engine, the dizzy is driven right off of the motor so timing accuracy is very good compared to most engines. On engines with a belt/chain timing drive, there can be 2-5 degrees (or more) of error depending on engine speed, etc. |
| Mark Henry |
Oct 5 2016, 12:48 PM
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that's what I do! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
Oops, just read your more recent post and saw that you want to use the coil for timing. Having increased resolution on the crank allows you better engine positioning accuracy so you can tune injection/ignition times better. Different applications, but generally better engine position accuracy results in a crisper tune. With a T4 engine, the dizzy is driven right off of the motor so timing accuracy is very good compared to most engines. On engines with a belt/chain timing drive, there can be 2-5 degrees (or more) of error depending on engine speed, etc. Well debateable ...crankfire is still not as accurate as many believe, a 2-4 degree variance would still be the acceptable norm. As far as the dizzy drive goes it only becomes less accurate when you decelerate, and that doesn't really matter. The performance gain that most are seeing comes from the advance curve and higher voltages of modern coils. Same debate as far as sequential and batch fired injectors. The only real advantage of sequential fuel injection is an emissions and maybe slightly better MPG. And this is at lower RPM's, over say 4000 RPM most of this becomes a moot point. BTW I've been running EFI and crankfire since 2003. |
| Mblizzard |
Oct 5 2016, 01:13 PM
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Advanced Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,033 Joined: 28-January 13 From: Knoxville Tn Member No.: 15,438 Region Association: South East States |
Oops, just read your more recent post and saw that you want to use the coil for timing. Having increased resolution on the crank allows you better engine positioning accuracy so you can tune injection/ignition times better. Different applications, but generally better engine position accuracy results in a crisper tune. With a T4 engine, the dizzy is driven right off of the motor so timing accuracy is very good compared to most engines. On engines with a belt/chain timing drive, there can be 2-5 degrees (or more) of error depending on engine speed, etc. Well debateable ...crankfire is still not as accurate as many believe, a 2-4 degree variance would still be the acceptable norm. As far as the dizzy drive goes it only becomes less accurate when you decelerate, and that doesn't really matter. The performance gain that most are seeing comes from the advance curve and higher voltages of modern coils. Same debate as far as sequential and batch fired injectors. The only real advantage of sequential fuel injection is an emissions and maybe slightly better MPG. And this is at lower RPM's, over say 4000 RPM most of this becomes a moot point. BTW I've been running EFI and crankfire since 2003. As I tend to be, I am so far ahead of myself it is not even funny. Just got email that my MicroSquirt was delivered and was left on the front porch. So I am all ready looking at jumping to the ignition and sequential injection timing and I have not even opened the first box yet! For my engine I think I will be spending most of my time below the 4K mark so the sequential fuel injection is desirable to me but obviously not a requirement. But I would like to go to a more modern coil set up and have the ability to control my timing. If there is a dizzy based option to control the timing I would be good with that and let the sequential go. Something like this seems perfect but not sure where to find. ![]() |
| cgnj |
Oct 5 2016, 02:04 PM
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This is the Dubshop cam position sensor $155.00 Dubshop Ignition
Can do batch or sequential. It is pre-order now. I have it installed and my engine is on the stand. I'll add that to my picture list. Have we hijacked this thread yet? If so, I'm sorry. Carlos |
| Mblizzard |
Oct 5 2016, 02:27 PM
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Advanced Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,033 Joined: 28-January 13 From: Knoxville Tn Member No.: 15,438 Region Association: South East States |
This is the Dubshop cam position sensor $155.00 Dubshop Ignition Can do batch or sequential. It is pre-order now. I have it installed and my engine is on the stand. I'll add that to my picture list. Have we hijacked this thread yet? If so, I'm sorry. Carlos Nope on the hijack. Lots of good information. Would like to see if this could be done initially for fuel only for around $600. So far that seems possible assuming our time is free. |
Mblizzard MicroSquit Conversion Oct 3 2016, 07:18 AM
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GregAmy I've been giving this a lot of thought. I... Oct 3 2016, 08:01 AM
Mblizzard
I've been giving this a lot of thought. I... Oct 3 2016, 08:08 AM
McMark I have all the pieces I used on my car. Working o... Oct 3 2016, 08:03 AM
Mblizzard
I have all the pieces I used on my car. Working ... Oct 3 2016, 08:05 AM
McMark :P Done! Oct 3 2016, 08:07 AM
GregAmy It will be easy to self wire. However, if you want... Oct 3 2016, 08:18 AM
Mblizzard
It will be easy to self wire. However, if you wan... Oct 3 2016, 08:38 AM
plays with cars Mike, I think you're concern is justified abou... Oct 3 2016, 09:34 AM
Mblizzard Still asking questions. A number of people have c... Oct 3 2016, 11:15 AM
jcd914
Still asking questions. A number of people have ... Oct 3 2016, 04:50 PM
cgnj Hi,
I thought about about all of these issues whi... Oct 4 2016, 04:30 AM
Mblizzard
Hi,
I thought about about all of these issues wh... Oct 4 2016, 06:05 AM
JamesM All sorts of cool stuff
http://www.thedubshop.net... Oct 3 2016, 11:53 AM
jd74914 Does the Dakota CHT gauge have any analog (voltage... Oct 4 2016, 06:19 AM
Mblizzard
Does the Dakota CHT gauge have any analog (voltag... Oct 4 2016, 11:01 AM
McMark CHT Group Buy from Mark Whitesell
Never had a gro... Oct 4 2016, 07:16 AM
Mblizzard
CHT Group Buy from Mark Whitesell
Never had a gr... Oct 4 2016, 08:18 AM
Mark Henry If you use the stock 914 injectors (low impedance)... Oct 4 2016, 03:20 PM
Mblizzard
If you use the stock 914 injectors (low impedance... Oct 4 2016, 05:36 PM
Dtjaden Some comments on my 2 year journey with Megasquirt... Oct 4 2016, 05:44 PM
Porschef
By the way, on the drive to Medford and back I ... Oct 4 2016, 07:13 PM

Dtjaden I think you could contact Mario at the DubShop or ... Oct 4 2016, 08:38 PM
Mblizzard
Some comments on my 2 year journey with Megasquir... Oct 5 2016, 07:48 AM

Dtjaden The DubShop CHT sensor is installed under one of t... Oct 5 2016, 09:10 AM


Mblizzard
The DubShop CHT sensor is installed under one of ... Oct 5 2016, 09:40 AM


JamesM
[quote name='Dtjaden' post='2407555' date='Oct 5 ... Oct 7 2016, 02:17 PM

jd74914
Hoping to not go the crank trigger rout because I... Oct 5 2016, 10:21 AM

Mblizzard
Hoping to not go the crank trigger rout because ... Oct 5 2016, 10:58 AM


cgnj
[quote name='jd74914' post='2407580' date='Oct 5 ... Oct 5 2016, 11:35 AM


N_Jay
. . . .Crank position sensor in distributor will... Oct 5 2016, 12:11 PM

Mblizzard
Hoping to not go the crank trigger rout because ... Oct 5 2016, 11:01 AM

Mueller
[quote name='Mblizzard' post='2407513' date='Oct ... Oct 6 2016, 10:51 AM

Mblizzard
[quote name='Mblizzard' post='2407513' date='Oct... Oct 6 2016, 11:25 AM
cgnj
9. I mounted the Megasquirt (not Microsquirt) in... Oct 5 2016, 11:44 AM
porsche913b_sp :popcorn: Oct 4 2016, 06:18 PM
Dtjaden
[quote name='cgnj' post='2407689' date='Oct 5 201... Oct 5 2016, 03:52 PM
Mark Henry Yep, I'm just saying don't get hung up on ... Oct 5 2016, 01:20 PM
Mblizzard First box of goodies!
Oct 5 2016, 04:49 PM
Dtjaden For anyone looking for a packaged solution for und... Oct 5 2016, 11:33 PM
McMark I don't think MicroSquirt does sequential inje... Oct 6 2016, 07:37 AM
Mblizzard
I don't think MicroSquirt does sequential inj... Oct 6 2016, 10:38 AM
aircooledtechguy I own, run and have installed virtually every prod... Oct 6 2016, 10:40 PM
Dtjaden
I own, run and have installed virtually every pro... Oct 6 2016, 10:53 PM
Mblizzard
I own, run and have installed virtually every pro... Oct 7 2016, 08:43 AM
N_Jay
I think the crank trigger would be better as well... Oct 7 2016, 08:57 AM
Mblizzard
I think the crank trigger would be better as wel... Oct 7 2016, 09:10 AM

cgnj
[quote name='N_Jay' post='2408476' date='Oct 7 20... Oct 7 2016, 10:03 AM
cgnj
I think the crank trigger would be better as wel... Oct 7 2016, 10:13 AM
Java2570 I've been talking to Mario @ Dubshop about doi... Oct 7 2016, 07:44 AM
Mblizzard Ok let’s be clear. I am not no wiring expert... Oct 7 2016, 09:59 AM
N_Jay
Ok let’s be clear. I am not no wiring expert... Oct 7 2016, 10:03 AM
Mblizzard
Ok let’s be clear. I am not no wiring expert... Oct 7 2016, 11:32 AM
N_Jay
[quote name='N_Jay' post='2408496' date='Oct 7 20... Oct 7 2016, 11:46 AM
Dtjaden
[quote name='Mblizzard' post='2408534' date='Oct ... Oct 7 2016, 12:28 PM
N_Jay
[quote name='Mblizzard' post='2408534' date='Oct... Oct 7 2016, 01:19 PM
Dtjaden The crankshaft trigger wheel, either the DubShop... Oct 7 2016, 11:13 AM
N_Jay Maybe I am not picturing it correctly, but how doe... Oct 7 2016, 11:20 AM
jd74914
Maybe I am not picturing it correctly, but how do... Oct 7 2016, 11:26 AM

Mblizzard
Maybe I am not picturing it correctly, but how d... Oct 7 2016, 11:31 AM

N_Jay
Maybe I am not picturing it correctly, but how d... Oct 7 2016, 11:59 AM
cgnj
Maybe I am not picturing it correctly, but how do... Oct 7 2016, 11:59 AM
jcd914 From a MegaSquirt manual:
"Injectors are eith... Oct 7 2016, 01:24 PM
Mblizzard
From a MegaSquirt manual:
"Injectors are eit... Oct 7 2016, 04:12 PM
Dtjaden I appreciate all of the intelectual comments. I am... Oct 7 2016, 02:12 PM
N_Jay
I appreciate all of the intelectual comments. I a... Oct 7 2016, 02:57 PM

Mark Henry
I appreciate all of the intelectual comments. I ... Oct 7 2016, 03:57 PM


N_Jay
I see where the manual talks about the resistors... Oct 8 2016, 07:13 AM

Dtjaden
I appreciate all of the intelectual comments. I ... Oct 7 2016, 05:10 PM

N_Jay
[quote name='N_Jay' post='2408588' date='Oct 7 20... Oct 8 2016, 07:20 AM
Mblizzard
I appreciate all of the intelectual comments. I a... Oct 7 2016, 04:54 PM
Dtjaden
I appreciate all of the intelectual comments. I ... Oct 7 2016, 05:11 PM
Mblizzard
[quote name='Mblizzard' post='2408640' date='Oct ... Oct 7 2016, 05:25 PM
Mblizzard
[quote name='Mblizzard' post='2408640' date='Oct... Oct 8 2016, 06:41 AM
N_Jay
Ok still thinking about the placement of the res... Oct 8 2016, 07:30 AM
Dtjaden Blizzard - what are you doing for A/C on your car.... Oct 7 2016, 05:13 PM
Mblizzard
Blizzard - what are you doing for A/C on your car... Oct 7 2016, 05:28 PM
Phoenix914 Since my engine is out, I'm thinking it would ... Oct 8 2016, 08:37 AM
stugray
Since my engine is out, I'm thinking it would... Oct 8 2016, 09:15 AM
Dtjaden
Since my engine is out, I'm thinking it woul... Oct 8 2016, 09:31 AM
N_Jay
And having a capacitor installed across the coi... Oct 8 2016, 01:12 PM
Phoenix914
Since my engine is out, I'm thinking it woul... Oct 8 2016, 01:17 PM
Mark Henry You guys are really over thinking this stuff.... Oct 8 2016, 09:19 AM
stugray
You guys are really over thinking this stuff....
... Oct 8 2016, 09:31 AM
Dtjaden
Good Job. I used to take my 914 on long trips re... Oct 8 2016, 09:29 AM
McMark Seriously. Low impedance injectors need a resisto... Oct 8 2016, 10:56 AM
Mblizzard
Seriously. Low impedance injectors need a resist... Oct 8 2016, 01:10 PM
Mblizzard I know some of the discussion may seem trivial to ... Oct 8 2016, 01:10 PM
jcd914
I know some of the discussion may seem trivial to... Oct 8 2016, 03:08 PM
cgnj Hi,
waited till I had something of value to add.Gr... Oct 10 2016, 11:50 AM
Mblizzard
Hi,
waited till I had something of value to add.G... Oct 10 2016, 12:23 PM
N_Jay Is anyone using a MAF sensor or an O2 sensor with ... Oct 10 2016, 04:54 PM
Mueller
Is anyone using a MAF sensor or an O2 sensor with... Oct 10 2016, 10:04 PM
jd74914
[quote name='N_Jay' post='2409688' date='Oct 10 2... Oct 11 2016, 05:57 AM![]() ![]() |
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