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| tazz9924 |
Jan 8 2017, 02:51 PM
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So. I own a baja bug and a popular off road upgrade for it is a cutting/ turning brake. My question is why arnt these used in road racing as an alternative for left foot braking? this would direct braking force torwards the inside wheel(s) and may allow for faster and tighter cornering.
(Edit): I found that mclaren used a system similar to this in 97-98 in F1 and is a system currently employed in modern mclaren road cars. Instead of a grab handle it was a switchable 3rd pedal to the left of the brake pedal (they dont have clutches) Conservative estimates say it was good for .3 seconds a lap! It was banned from F1 on the grounds that it was a 4 wheel steering system. More info can be found here: http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/archive/...e-steer-mclaren ![]() Attached image(s)
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| JmuRiz |
Feb 8 2017, 03:28 PM
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Engineering Explained talked a bit about this today:
McLaren P1 has an open diff and uses brakes to modulate wheel torque and brake steer. Fancy computers at work, but it does work on an over 1000hp car with an open diff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBHmWZcnWwM |
| stugray |
Feb 8 2017, 05:19 PM
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Engineering Explained talked a bit about this today: McLaren P1 has an open diff and uses brakes to modulate wheel torque and brake steer. Fancy computers at work, but it does work on an over 1000hp car with an open diff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBHmWZcnWwM This is what my $25k BRZ comes with standard. It has: traction control that retards timing to reduce engine torque when rear wheel spin is detected (both) Vehicle stability control that can APPLY the brakes if it detects the car rotating at a rate that does not match the steering input. ABS that releases brakes if lockup is detected Electronic Diff that applies a rear brake if it detects rear wheel spin Seems that the software could be modified to use rear brakes to help in turning. All the hardware is there. |
tazz9924 Racing question i have never heard of before Jan 8 2017, 02:51 PM
jmill They are already on many drift cars. However, dri... Jan 8 2017, 03:01 PM
tazz9924
They are already on many drift cars. However, dr... Jan 8 2017, 03:09 PM
stanthedog Aren't they illegal for road use. I'd thin... Jan 8 2017, 03:38 PM
Mueller In real racing you want both hands on the wheel, w... Jan 8 2017, 03:38 PM
Cracker ...it is called "trail-braking" in road ... Jan 8 2017, 03:40 PM
Mueller
So. I own a baja bug and a popular off road upgra... Jan 8 2017, 03:42 PM
Mark Henry For turning tight corners at slow speed.
My Fiat ... Jan 8 2017, 04:53 PM
jmill
They are already on many drift cars. However, d... Jan 8 2017, 05:00 PM
6freak [quote name='tazz9924' date='Jan 8 201... Jan 8 2017, 06:55 PM
sixaddict Rally cars use them on really tight turns ....in r... Jan 8 2017, 07:14 PM
tazz9924
Rally cars use them on really tight turns ....in ... Jan 8 2017, 11:08 PM
jmitro :agree:
not to mention it would be against the r... Jan 8 2017, 07:32 PM
tazz9924
:agree:
not to mention it would be against the ... Jan 8 2017, 11:10 PM
raynekat Easy answer....these work only on the rear wheels ... Jan 9 2017, 12:49 AM
stugray The only use this would have on a road racing car ... Jan 9 2017, 07:58 AM
ThePaintedMan This is the only road racing example that I know o... Jan 9 2017, 08:16 AM
GregAmy The (somewhat) quick answer: rear wheel turning br... Jan 9 2017, 08:16 AM
Cracker To piggy back on that excellent explanation - in t... Jan 9 2017, 08:31 AM
6freak
To piggy back on that excellent explanation - in ... Jan 9 2017, 09:26 AM
Cracker Mike - It "could" include the throttle b... Jan 9 2017, 09:34 AM

tazz9924
Mike - It "could" include the throttle ... Jan 9 2017, 11:01 AM

Mueller
[quote name='Cracker' post='2442225' date='Jan 9 ... Jan 9 2017, 11:50 AM
tazz9924
Hey it was just something i thought of searching ... Jan 9 2017, 10:58 AM
ConeDodger The spin would be epic at road race speeds... :bl... Jan 9 2017, 08:46 AM
Cracker
The spin would be epic at road race speeds... :b... Jan 9 2017, 08:59 AM
Cracker Tazz - I didn't mean to imply the idea wasn... Jan 9 2017, 12:03 PM
stugray There is some confusion and incorrect explanation ... Jan 9 2017, 01:48 PM
Cracker I often trail brake very late, depending on many f... Jan 9 2017, 01:59 PM
brant fun....
we all have different interpretations
Tr... Jan 9 2017, 02:32 PM
Dave_Darling
subsequently the trail braking transfers some of ... Jan 9 2017, 11:12 PM
6freak
Your rear tires are also below the CG, unless t... Jan 10 2017, 09:35 AM
tazz9924
Your rear tires are also below the CG, unless ... Jan 10 2017, 11:56 AM
6freak as i thought i just couldnt explain it like you ... Jan 9 2017, 04:22 PM
tazz9924
as i thought i just couldnt explain it like you... Jan 9 2017, 08:11 PM
tazz9924 I was right! more info in first post and you c... Feb 8 2017, 12:51 PM
6freak
I was right! more info in first post and you ... Feb 8 2017, 03:33 PM
ThePaintedMan
I was right! more info in first post and you ... Feb 8 2017, 03:58 PM
tazz9924
[quote name='tazz9924' post='2452685' date='Feb 8... Feb 8 2017, 08:40 PM
rhodyguy Where are you driving that you might want an EXTRA... Feb 8 2017, 02:56 PM![]() ![]() |
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