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> 1.7 dies right after starting
averagejoe71
post Apr 3 2017, 01:02 AM
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my 1.7 dies when it starts. Ill turn the key and it will shortly after stop and if i touch the pedal alittle within the small time frame it dies. Does anyone have any ideas of where to start checking to see whats the problem. All help is appreciated.
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post Jun 8 2017, 01:08 PM
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That's your Auxiliary Air Valve (AAR) or sometimes called supplementary air valve. That lead is what warms it up so it will close after about 10 minutes of engine running. It is there to provide additional air the engine needs when cold (it is sort of a controlled vacuum leak that shuts itself off after roughly 10 minutes). If yours is disconnected your AAR isn't going to close (or at least not as fast as it normally would). That means you'll have a higher idle for longer than necessary. Given you're probably running too rich, that's probably somewhat off-setting the AAR not closing quickly (assuming the engine will run that long). Also, I believe if you ground that lead (hit it against something else) it's going to blow one of your fuses on the relay panel (IIRC) (and then your fuel pump won't run). I may be incorrect, but that's what I seem to recall. In any event, either hook that lead back up or don't let it ground with the car running.

The plugs look sooty. My guess is still too rich. I think the cold start valve is possible culprit (or one of them), but it's more likely CHT, MPS, or fuel pressure. Those just seem to fail most often and/or cause a rich condition that will actually kill the engine as it warms up.

You really should go here and read this site: https://members.rennlist.com/pbanders/djetparts.htm
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That's your Auxiliary Air Valve (AAR) or sometimes called supplementary air valve. That lead is what warms it up so it will close after about 10 minutes of engine running. It is there to provide additional air the engine needs when cold (it is sort of a controlled vacuum leak that shuts itself off after roughly 10 minutes). If yours is disconnected your AAR isn't going to close (or at least not as fast as it normally would). That means you'll have a higher idle for longer than necessary. Given you're probably running too rich, that's probably somewhat off-setting the AAR not closing quickly (assuming the engine will run that long). Also, I believe if you ground that lead (hit it against something else) it's going to blow one of your fuses on the relay panel (IIRC) (and then your fuel pump won't run). I may be incorrect, but that's what I seem to recall. In any event, either hook that lead back up or don't let it ground with the car running.

The plugs look sooty. My guess is still too rich. I think the cold start valve is possible culprit (or one of them), but it's more likely CHT, MPS, or fuel pressure. Those just seem to fail most often and/or cause a rich condition that will actually kill the engine as it warms up.

You really should go here and read this site: https://members.rennlist.com/pbanders/djetparts.htm

So the resistance on the CHT is at 1700 and the fuel pressure is 30 psi when cranking to when the car is on. Maybe my pertronix is bad?
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averagejoe71   1.7 dies right after starting   Apr 3 2017, 01:02 AM
BeatNavy   Fuel injection or carbs? If FI, first thing I wou...   Apr 3 2017, 03:08 AM
averagejoe71   Fuel injection or carbs? If FI, first thing I wo...   Apr 3 2017, 04:08 AM
Tbrown4x4   The CHT is near the #3 Intake port. I believe my ...   Apr 3 2017, 04:44 AM
averagejoe71   The CHT is near the #3 Intake port. I believe my ...   Apr 28 2017, 02:53 PM
mark04usa   The MPS may not be the cause of the engine to die ...   Apr 28 2017, 03:10 PM
averagejoe71   The MPS may not be the cause of the engine to die...   Apr 28 2017, 03:26 PM
BeatNavy   [quote name='mark04usa' post='2480525' date='Apr ...   Apr 28 2017, 04:01 PM
averagejoe71   [quote name='mark04usa' post='2480525' date='Apr...   Apr 28 2017, 04:28 PM
BeatNavy   Ok, now I'm clear. Then yes, get the Tangerin...   Apr 28 2017, 04:49 PM
averagejoe71   Ok, now I'm clear. Then yes, get the Tangeri...   Apr 28 2017, 05:03 PM
BeatNavy   I should add now is a good time as well to think a...   Apr 28 2017, 04:59 PM
averagejoe71   I should add now is a good time as well to think ...   Apr 28 2017, 05:07 PM
BeatNavy   [quote name='BeatNavy' post='2480574' date='Apr 2...   Apr 28 2017, 05:27 PM
averagejoe71   [quote name='BeatNavy' post='2480574' date='Apr ...   May 8 2017, 05:42 PM
BeatNavy   You can use your existing full load stop. That...   May 8 2017, 06:51 PM
averagejoe71   Sorry for the late update but I only replaced the ...   Jun 1 2017, 02:55 PM
BeatNavy   Likely more than one thing going on, which is not ...   Jun 1 2017, 03:55 PM
averagejoe71   Likely more than one thing going on, which is not...   Jun 1 2017, 04:54 PM
BeatNavy   Resistance. You need to check the following as a ...   Jun 1 2017, 05:24 PM
r_towle   You may be getting enough fuel from the cold start...   Jun 1 2017, 07:55 PM
averagejoe71   So good news. I found the problem. The red wire fo...   Jun 7 2017, 12:43 PM
BeatNavy   So good news. I found the problem. The red wire f...   Jun 7 2017, 03:59 PM
averagejoe71   So good news. I found the problem. The red wire ...   Jun 7 2017, 04:49 PM
The Cabinetmaker   So good news. I found the problem. The red wire f...   Jun 8 2017, 03:39 PM
BeatNavy   You are running full rich. I have not read this f...   Jun 8 2017, 03:48 PM
averagejoe71   So good news. I found the problem. The red wire ...   Jun 8 2017, 04:08 PM
euro911   Yes, Joe ... the port on the injector rail is wher...   Jun 7 2017, 06:23 PM
averagejoe71   Awesome I'll connect it to a gauge then. Is t...   Jun 7 2017, 11:19 PM
euro911   Awesome I'll connect it to a gauge then. Is th...   Jun 8 2017, 10:47 AM
averagejoe71   Awesome I'll connect it to a gauge then. Is t...   Jun 8 2017, 12:38 PM
BeatNavy   That's your Auxiliary Air Valve (AAR) or somet...   Jun 8 2017, 01:08 PM
averagejoe71   That's your Auxiliary Air Valve (AAR) or some...   Jun 8 2017, 03:17 PM
euro911   30 PSI is good. Pertronix units won't fail in...   Jun 8 2017, 03:40 PM
averagejoe71   30 PSI is good. Pertronix units won't fail i...   Jun 8 2017, 04:10 PM
The Cabinetmaker   Thanks Rob. His symptoms are indicative of a poorl...   Jun 8 2017, 03:59 PM
averagejoe71   Thanks Rob. His symptoms are indicative of a poor...   Jun 8 2017, 04:09 PM
Rand   He said he vacuum tested the MPS, but dang I st...   Jun 8 2017, 04:31 PM
averagejoe71   He said he vacuum tested the MPS, but dang I s...   Jun 8 2017, 05:01 PM
The Cabinetmaker   The adjustment knob is located on the top, drivers...   Jun 8 2017, 04:51 PM
averagejoe71   The adjustment knob is located on the top, driver...   Jun 8 2017, 05:04 PM
Rand   From post #1 of this thread, I thought it was alw...   Jun 8 2017, 05:05 PM
averagejoe71   From post #1 of this thread, I thought it was al...   Jun 8 2017, 05:13 PM
The Cabinetmaker   Unplug the mps BEFORE starting it!   Jun 8 2017, 05:48 PM
Rand   It's way rich!! I guess to ask my que...   Jun 8 2017, 05:51 PM
The Cabinetmaker   Like beat navy said on page one, you need a wide b...   Jun 8 2017, 07:23 PM
averagejoe71   Like beat navy said on page one, you need a wide ...   Jun 12 2017, 04:37 PM
Rand   Holy cow, if it runs that long with the MPS discon...   Jun 12 2017, 05:00 PM
averagejoe71   I hit another wall. I messed when putting in the n...   Jun 12 2017, 06:02 PM
914_teener   I hit another wall. I messed when putting in the ...   Jun 12 2017, 10:39 PM
914_teener   It just struck me looking at your picture is that ...   Jun 12 2017, 10:46 PM
averagejoe71   It just struck me looking at your picture is that...   Jun 12 2017, 11:14 PM
rhodyguy   Post the # on the MPS?   Jun 13 2017, 10:42 AM
Beach914   I've got a few. Depending on the number you ca...   Jun 14 2017, 07:57 AM


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