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| TheWeatherMan |
Jul 5 2017, 12:45 PM
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Newbie ![]() Group: Members Posts: 18 Joined: 2-July 17 From: Vienna, VA Member No.: 21,222 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
What modern EFI systems is everyone installing on their Type-IV engine?
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| Mark Henry |
Jul 5 2017, 03:54 PM
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that's what I do! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
I installed SDS way back in 2004, still running the same system in my bug but I re-chipped it to the latest version before V5.
Likely I'm one of the first here running a programmable FI system, at least on a DD. http://www.sdsefi.com/ My 914 I ran it on a stock 1.8 and 2.0 with a mild carb cam with a pretty well stock D-jet intake (intake used on both the 1.8 and 2.0). Both engines ran flawless, perfect AFR, on the 2.0 I took the programmer off and ran it for 3 years (6+ month seasons) without ever checking it. I'd say it ran like a brand new L-jet, turn the key and go. My bug is a super hi-performance 2.6L T4, 102x78mm, nickies, JE's, 2.0 big valve heads, Web cam, A1 1-3/4 exhaust etc, etc... Only issue is because of the 46mm ITB's I can't get a good MAP signal and I have to run it as a TPS only system which may hurt my MPG slightly. But then again it still runs flawless even on TPS. I can tell you for 100% sure PEFI doesn't add a single HP, but it can run things, like a performance cam, that stock FI can never run. |
| JamesM |
Jul 5 2017, 07:12 PM
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PEFI alone adds no HP, but a proper tune on top of that PEFI will, especially if your system is controlling your timing as well. Having a full 3 dimensional tuning table for both fuel and spark allows you to dial in the tune and give the engine exactly what it needs everywhere. I installed SDS way back in 2004, still running the same system in my bug but I re-chipped it to the latest version before V5. Likely I'm one of the first here running a programmable FI system, at least on a DD. http://www.sdsefi.com/ My 914 I ran it on a stock 1.8 and 2.0 with a mild carb cam with a pretty well stock D-jet intake (intake used on both the 1.8 and 2.0). Both engines ran flawless, perfect AFR, on the 2.0 I took the programmer off and ran it for 3 years (6+ month seasons) without ever checking it. I'd say it ran like a brand new L-jet, turn the key and go. My bug is a super hi-performance 2.6L T4, 102x78mm, nickies, JE's, 2.0 big valve heads, Web cam, A1 1-3/4 exhaust etc, etc... Only issue is because of the 46mm ITB's I can't get a good MAP signal and I have to run it as a TPS only system which may hurt my MPG slightly. But then again it still runs flawless even on TPS. I can tell you for 100% sure PEFI doesn't add a single HP, but it can run things, like a performance cam, that stock FI can never run. |
| Mark Henry |
Jul 5 2017, 08:19 PM
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that's what I do! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
PEFI alone adds no HP, but a proper tune on top of that PEFI will, especially if your system is controlling your timing as well. Having a full 3 dimensional tuning table for both fuel and spark allows you to dial in the tune and give the engine exactly what it needs everywhere. Marketing Koolaid (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) 3D tuning table? does that help if you drive inverted? Sequential helps with fuel economy, for the most part below 3000 rpm where the T4 and /6 aircooleds shouldn't be running anyways. I'm running TPS only and my AFR is as solid as a rock through all RPM's 3D spark map (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) A spark map is about as simple as simple gets. Once you have spark control the dark art of the dizzy curve goes bye-bye. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif) Proper sized and tune Webers still win at WOT. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) |
| JamesM |
Jul 6 2017, 01:54 AM
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Marketing Koolaid (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) 3D tuning table? does that help if you drive inverted? Maybe if you are comparing to carbs (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) but it does allow you to tune more accurately vs systems that follow an analog curve to approximate fuel requirements at given engine conditions see: Carbs, D-jet Sequential helps with fuel economy, for the most part below 3000 rpm where the T4 and /6 aircooleds shouldn't be running anyways. I'm running TPS only and my AFR is as solid as a rock through all RPM's Totally agree, sequential is a waste of time and adds needless complexity 3D spark map (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) A spark map is about as simple as simple gets. Once you have spark control the dark art of the dizzy curve goes bye-bye. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif) Digital spark control is way more accurate/consistant than a dizzy at least all the type 4 dizzys i have played with. If you are only playing with an ignition curve in two dimensions (RPM + deg advance) you cannot optimize for all running conditions, 3 dimensions (RPM + engine load + advance) allows for this. I attempted an autocross run entirely at WOT, turnes out other throttle positions are useful. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Nothing against carbs, they are just not my thing. |
TheWeatherMan What modern EFI is everybody using Jul 5 2017, 12:45 PM
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914forme
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914_teener
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JamesM
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wndsrfr I'm on SDS on the 2316 Raby kit engine that Dr... Jul 5 2017, 07:47 PM
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Mueller
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JamesM
Must have:
Crank position sensor
Throttle positio... Jul 6 2017, 02:11 AM
falcor75
Must have:
Crank position sensor
Throttle positi... Jul 6 2017, 03:21 AM
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ottox914 SDS. See my sig below for the install thread. It... Jul 6 2017, 06:08 AM
Mark Henry :agree:
I sold Dave his SDS system.
SDS is hand... Jul 6 2017, 07:35 AM
Mark Henry A member asked me if he should ditch his homebuilt... Jul 6 2017, 11:52 AM
90quattrocoupe Now before I start this post, I am not in anyway a... Jul 6 2017, 12:40 PM
Mark Henry That's one of the issues with many PEFI system... Jul 7 2017, 09:51 AM
TheWeatherMan Thanks, ill continue to research the SDS set up an... Jul 7 2017, 10:37 AM
Mark Henry
Thanks, ill continue to research the SDS set up a... Jul 7 2017, 11:38 AM![]() ![]() |
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