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> Paint gurus?, How to fix?
Cracker
post Jul 23 2017, 05:42 AM
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This is well outside of my wheelhouse! I am assuming this is the clear succumbing to the last 5-years of (my ownership) exterior storage and beat by the sun. I've never seen clear literally peel and lift (like this). It is only happening to the top radiused edge but is on all four sides - it is metal. Can this be wet-sanded down and then re-sprayed with clear? What to do and how to do it? Thanks in advance...

Tony

PS: My main concern is not being able to salvage the paint - multiple colors would be a PITA to respray.

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post Jul 24 2017, 07:59 PM
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The EPA forced safer paint product with less VOC ( Volatile Organic Compounds) This caused many issues from the assembly line to the refinish industry. The manufactures in high production were seeing the delamination of the base coat from the sealer and in some production lines the clear from the base coat.

We saw the beginning of this as early as the 80's when Honda came out with HLSA. (high Tensile Strength Low Alloy Steel) All steel is porous to an extent. The thinner, lighter steel has tightly packed molecules. Conventional lacquer based primer was not hot enough to create a bond to the steel.

To continue with this type of product you would need a 36 grit scratch to lock the product onto the metal. The industry came out with etch primers to solve this problem. Acid etch to the steel and soft dried finish to hold the primers.

Here's the layman's explanation. The VOC's in the Solvents used to mix the color and thin the paint should create enough chemical bond to lock one layer to the other.

In your case the base flashed off hard. Likely, partially from too long of a drying time for the base. It is likely the base should have been lightly scuffed to allow a tooth for the clear. With metallic paint we would use a mid coat adhesion promoter. Kind of like the etch primers but a clear product that would slightly soften the base and allow a chemical bond to take place. The secondary issue is likely the clear coat used was unable the create a chemical bond due to low VOC's.

The Repair? There are a couple ways to do it. Careful soda blasting could remove the loose clear on the upper surfaces. Mask and cover the lower parts that have a good bond and re-clear the affected areas.

Strip it all off and start over.
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Cracker   Paint gurus?   Jul 23 2017, 05:42 AM
Wdunster   Hate to see that for you brother. I work for a maj...   Jul 23 2017, 06:42 AM
Cracker   Yowsers! Just to be clear (pun intended!) ...   Jul 23 2017, 06:48 AM
Tom_T   Tony, First see if you have any paint &/or sh...   Jul 23 2017, 11:02 AM
Mike Bellis   I have the same problem on my truck. I took it to ...   Jul 23 2017, 11:22 AM
Cracker   Ok. I get it (but don't like it)...I can have ...   Jul 23 2017, 11:33 AM
rhodyguy   Is the expense worth it or can you live with the c...   Jul 23 2017, 11:34 AM
Cracker   I am sure it will be expensive but I have not spok...   Jul 23 2017, 11:56 AM
flyer86d   Clearcoat failure is fairly common on early 90...   Jul 23 2017, 04:05 PM
Cracker   Thanks guys! I have an idea and will circle ba...   Jul 23 2017, 07:45 PM
PanelBilly   You might try sanding the clear down to a smooth f...   Jul 23 2017, 09:33 PM
bbrock   A few months ago, I noticed a similar spot of fail...   Jul 23 2017, 10:01 PM
maf914   A few months ago, I noticed a similar spot of fai...   Jul 24 2017, 06:11 AM
porschetub   Tony this is a very common issue in my country due...   Jul 24 2017, 01:10 PM
Wdunster   Hi all. Sorry for the delay in responding. I work...   Jul 24 2017, 07:47 PM
Cracker   B: I sent you a PM this morning...thanks for the o...   Jul 24 2017, 08:29 PM
rick 918-S   The EPA forced safer paint product with less VOC (...   Jul 24 2017, 07:59 PM
Wdunster   Great insight but not accurate. Sorry, please don...   Jul 25 2017, 05:50 AM
rick 918-S   My point was that in order for primitive materials...   Jul 25 2017, 06:56 AM
Rob-O   My point was that in order for primitive material...   Jul 25 2017, 01:52 PM
Rob-O   Looking at this a little more, is that a trim mold...   Jul 25 2017, 02:01 PM
Perry Kiehl   Nice coach! I'd probably scrub off as muc...   Jul 25 2017, 02:45 PM
Cracker   The molding strip certainly is removable...it is c...   Jul 25 2017, 08:12 PM


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