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> hand throttle vs cold start circuit, Anyone use the CSC on Webers?
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post Nov 13 2017, 03:50 PM
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My Webers have the cold start circuits installed. While I'm replacing the floor pan and have easy access to the tunnel, I am thinking about adding a couple tubes to run cables from a hand throttle lever to the carbs to operate the chokes. Wondering if anyone has done this and whether it would provide superior cold starting to the traditional hand throttle. I live in the frigid north where it can freeze any day of the year, so I want the best cold start operation I can get. Thoughts?
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post Nov 16 2017, 01:12 PM
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This is all great feedback. Still would love to hear about starting a carbed engine at zero degrees F, but this has been great. I'm liking the idea of just waiting until the car is back together and testing the cold start circuit. I was thinking that the time to prep for cables to the carbs would be when I had the floor off and tunnel opened up. But in reality, it's just a couple holes with grommets that would be needed to pass the cables through the firewall.

As for forgetting to put the lever down after the engine warms, I wouldn't think it would be much different from a manual choke. It happens, but becomes obvious pretty quickly. In this case, I would assume the engine would idle fast due to the rich mixture.

One other thing. In addition to starting ease, I've read elsewhere of some people warning about fuel washing the oil off the cylinders when you pump the accelerator just prior to starting. That might just be crazy "Internet lore" but wonder what you think. It is true that the cold start circuit would be spraying atomized mix into the intake and only when there is vacuum to pull it in during a combustion cycle.
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my current motor is FI
but I daily drove a 2.0/4 for years back in the 80's
it had 40mm IDF carbs and was living in boulder Colorado at the time
never failed to start

I remember near Christmas in about 1990, it was 17 below F
started up
a little cold until it idled for a few minutes

just pump the acc pedal a few times and then turn the key
KISS... its plenty easy to start without more complications.
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QUOTE(bbrock @ Nov 16 2017, 12:12 PM) *

This is all great feedback. Still would love to hear about starting a carbed engine at zero degrees F, but this has been great. I'm liking the idea of just waiting until the car is back together and testing the cold start circuit. I was thinking that the time to prep for cables to the carbs would be when I had the floor off and tunnel opened up. But in reality, it's just a couple holes with grommets that would be needed to pass the cables through the firewall.

As for forgetting to put the lever down after the engine warms, I wouldn't think it would be much different from a manual choke. It happens, but becomes obvious pretty quickly. In this case, I would assume the engine would idle fast due to the rich mixture.

One other thing. In addition to starting ease, I've read elsewhere of some people warning about fuel washing the oil off the cylinders when you pump the accelerator just prior to starting. That might just be crazy "Internet lore" but wonder what you think. It is true that the cold start circuit would be spraying atomized mix into the intake and only when there is vacuum to pull it in during a combustion cycle.

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bbrock   hand throttle vs cold start circuit   Nov 13 2017, 03:50 PM
GeorgeRud   The original hand throttle just provided another w...   Nov 13 2017, 04:12 PM
bbrock   The original hand throttle just provided another ...   Nov 13 2017, 04:40 PM
porschetub   No not really needed a handthrottle is a better so...   Nov 13 2017, 05:32 PM
DaveO90s4   My 914 as purchased with its single centre mounted...   Nov 13 2017, 05:44 PM
nditiz1   Mine did have the CSC hooked up on both carbs. I ...   Nov 13 2017, 06:09 PM
bbrock   No not really needed a handthrottle is a better s...   Nov 13 2017, 06:45 PM
theer   I had a hard time starting my 1.9l w/ dual 40 webe...   Nov 13 2017, 07:07 PM
bbrock   So - do I have this circuit already, or is it an ...   Nov 13 2017, 08:09 PM
Tbrown4x4   None of my 40 IDF castings are not even machined f...   Nov 13 2017, 07:07 PM
Tbrown4x4   The IDF's don't have choke plates or a mec...   Nov 13 2017, 07:10 PM
Tbrown4x4   Most people disable them by tapping the casting fo...   Nov 13 2017, 08:33 PM
bbrock   Most people disable them by tapping the casting f...   Nov 13 2017, 08:59 PM
porschetub   No its not really that cold in winter @ my part of...   Nov 15 2017, 01:01 PM
Spoke   My 2056 has dual carbs and starting it is not too ...   Nov 15 2017, 02:58 PM
Tbrown4x4   My car doesn't sit very much, but I put a fuel...   Nov 15 2017, 08:54 PM
Elliot Cannon   My fuel pump (CB Peformance 3.5psi) comes on as so...   Nov 15 2017, 11:25 PM
bbrock   This is all great feedback. Still would love to h...   Nov 16 2017, 01:12 PM
jd74914   As for forgetting to put the lever down after the...   Nov 16 2017, 01:31 PM
bbrock   Ehh, really no different than a cold start value ...   Nov 16 2017, 06:01 PM
brant   my current motor is FI but I daily drove a 2.0/4 f...   Nov 17 2017, 03:20 PM
Mark Henry   Cold start circuit I would disable, shit design. I...   Nov 17 2017, 01:43 PM
bbrock   Cold start circuit I would disable, shit design. ...   Nov 17 2017, 03:00 PM
Mark Henry   Only time you would run into issues with the IDF w...   Nov 17 2017, 05:05 PM


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