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> Charging question on a 914-6
db9146
post Jul 28 2018, 08:11 PM
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Well, I have made a temporary conversion of my -6, inserting a rebuilt 2.7S with ITBs, MS3, and distributorless ignition in place of the tired 2.0L. Before putting the engine in, I decided it best to install a new alternator along with a new engine/alternator wiring harness.

The alternator is for a 1965-1977 911 2.0-2.7 that uses an external VR.
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and here's the new wiring including a new ground strap to the engine case.
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The large red cable goes to the starter, the smaller red wire is D+, the black is DF, and brown is D-.

I thought the problem might be the battery because of its age but when I checked the output of the charging system at the battery, there was none. I replaced some of the dash lights with LEDs but made sure not to replace the GEN warning light, which is not coming on despite the alternator not charging.

Should I next pull the D+, DF, and D- plug and check for alternator output across DF and D+ momentarily?

If there is output, what then?

If not, what's next?
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post Aug 14 2018, 07:38 PM
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LarryM,
Thanks for the great additional info!!! Saved it for reference.

Tonight I checked and:
- I have a 12V 2W Osram buld in the GEN socket
- it lights when I turn the ignition on
- it goes out a moment or two after the engine starts up
- I get 12.5V at the dash light
- 12.5V at the D+ female on the circuit board that the VR plugs into
- 12.5V at the D+ male spade on the circuit board that the plug from the Alt. connects to
- and 12.5 at the DF male spade on the circuit board that the plug from the Alt. connects to.

LarryM, you mentioned that the issue may be upstream in the wiring at the dash or ignition switch. If I'm getting 12V at the GEN bulb and D+ on the circuit board, wouldn't that indicate that the wiring between the circuit board, dash, and ignition switch is okay?

I understand that the next step is to try to measure the full alternator output by jumping DF to D+ but I really don't want to do this because the new engine is running individual throttle-bodies and MS3x. (CAUTION: Voltage is unregulated during this test and could damage sensitive electronics. {Balmar Alternator - Regulator Troubleshooting}). I think that means that I could kill my ECU.

It seems I really need to find another way to test the alternator.

NOTE: Before trying to perform the full field testing, I read that one common way to test modern alternators is to test for a magnetic field with a screwdriver once the switch is turned to the "on" position. However, I don't this will work on a Porsche -6 since it relies on the bulb to provide the resistance to "tickle" the alternator into charging.


(Man I don't want to drop the engine for this....)
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db9146   Charging question on a 914-6   Jul 28 2018, 08:11 PM
larryM   see my updated notes with pics below http://www.9...   Jul 28 2018, 10:48 PM
db9146   Thanks Larry. I hate electrical issues..... Oka...   Jul 30 2018, 08:51 AM
porschetub   Thanks Larry. I hate electrical issues..... Ok...   Aug 14 2018, 02:20 PM
Spoke   So I swapped the VR and tried again. I am now se...   Aug 14 2018, 02:39 PM
SirAndy   How exactly are you testing the output? I know at...   Jul 30 2018, 11:33 AM
db9146   Last night, I measured the voltage at the battery ...   Jul 31 2018, 12:39 PM
Mark Henry   Last night, I measured the voltage at the battery...   Jul 31 2018, 01:06 PM
Spoke   If GEN light is on when key is ON and engine not s...   Jul 31 2018, 01:29 PM
db9146   MH and Spoke, I had started my last post earlier t...   Jul 31 2018, 02:35 PM
db9146   This is getting screwier by the moment......at lea...   Jul 31 2018, 05:23 PM
Spoke   On the D+ pin at idle, I measured 13.7V. On the D...   Aug 1 2018, 10:32 AM
db9146   You can also measure the unregulated output of the...   Jul 31 2018, 08:43 PM
Mark Henry   Is this alternator out of a 911 with the dual batt...   Aug 1 2018, 09:54 AM
db9146   MH, the engine is from a ‘74 911S but I’m not ...   Aug 2 2018, 09:03 PM
914Sixer   74 911 was a single battery.   Aug 2 2018, 09:18 PM
db9146   Does anyone know the wattage of the light bulb in ...   Aug 12 2018, 05:08 PM
larryM   you wrote above: "the GEN warning light, ... ...   Aug 13 2018, 09:03 PM
db9146   LarryM, Thanks for the great additional info!...   Aug 14 2018, 07:38 PM
larryM   If I'm getting 12V at the GEN bulb and D+ on...   Aug 15 2018, 09:22 PM
db9146   If the battery voltage is over 12.6V when runnin...   Aug 14 2018, 08:09 PM
Spoke   If the battery voltage is over 12.6V when runni...   Aug 14 2018, 08:43 PM
db9146   Spoke, I just updated my previous post. I agree w...   Aug 15 2018, 09:51 AM
larryM   p.s. - long ago i acquired some 911 engines & ...   Aug 15 2018, 09:39 PM
larryM   given everything you have reported above - conside...   Aug 19 2018, 10:29 AM
db9146   Well, I spent last week dropping the engine and ad...   Sep 6 2018, 01:50 PM
larryM   I wonder if even though the wiring is the same, t...   Sep 8 2018, 09:50 PM
db9146   Well, I think I figured it out. All 914-6s were s...   Sep 11 2018, 07:39 AM
FlacaProductions   Just read this whole thread and I love it when a l...   Sep 11 2018, 09:15 AM
ClayPerrine   There is a SEV Marchal Voltage regulator that plug...   Sep 11 2018, 10:20 AM


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