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| ChrisFoley |
Nov 1 2018, 02:10 PM
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I am Tangerine Racing ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 8,019 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Bolton, CT Member No.: 209 Region Association: None
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We have to remove a brand new windshield to replace all the New trim clips made by a popular vendor. They're so brittle they all break as soon as you try to install the trim. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/WTF.gif)
More than 3 hours of labor generated by using substandard parts. Seems unfair to charge my customer and I'm not happy about eating that either, except that I'm the one who recommended the vendor. Never again. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Buyer beware. I'm going back to Genuine Porsche. |
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| Mikey914 |
Nov 3 2018, 12:18 PM
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The rubber man ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 12,772 Joined: 27-December 04 From: Hillsboro, OR Member No.: 3,348 Region Association: None
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The factory ones to break over time. Many of us have experienced the trim departing the car. I did a little more looking at the instructions and thought about the technique I used to install my last windshield.
My conclusion - Yes you can use the 9.5mm butyl, but the way I installed it was by leaving the backing on, heating it on low with a heat gun and using a 12" metal ruler to flatten it. I did it this way because I wanted more surface area to bond to. The net result is a thinner area, but more surface to bond to. The factory actually says use the 8mm, BUT and here's the interesting part, the factory butyl had a wire that was used to heat it internally to make it more pliable. The primer is recommended, and I installed without on a clean new windshield. There is actually a better primer made to bond to the glass and react with the butyl specifically that I can get. I'm bringing some in this next week. It would be the best option. What we are doing - In the next week we are bringing in some clips from the dealer and evaluating specifically tensile strengths of both and materials. We may have a "better than factory " material available, we just didn't go there initially as these are a pretty simple part, so matching material was the option we chose. Nice thing about making our own parts is that we can change out material at any point. More as this progresses. Also, any pictures of failure are GREATLY appreciated as the break will tell us about the mode of failure. Mark, did you save any broken ones? Thanks |
ChrisFoley Has anyone else experienced trouble Nov 1 2018, 02:10 PM
dr914@autoatlanta.com the factory trim clips are the only answer, we hav... Nov 1 2018, 02:20 PM
raynekat I also have had many trim clips break from a popul... Nov 1 2018, 03:02 PM
Shadowfax I broke one when trying to drive it in. Rest seeme... Nov 1 2018, 03:25 PM
Dave_Darling If the vendor is one that is responsive to custome... Nov 1 2018, 05:22 PM
michael7810 I had the same issue but someone told me to test f... Nov 1 2018, 06:11 PM
mepstein That sucks. Not a job you want to do 2X. Nov 1 2018, 06:30 PM
raynekat
That sucks. Not a job you want to do 2X.
You c... Nov 1 2018, 07:54 PM
HansJan This is concerning.
How are the aftermarket parts... Nov 1 2018, 07:37 PM
raynekat The clip itself is breaking.
And having to shim t... Nov 1 2018, 07:53 PM
HansJan @raynekat could this be caused by using the wrong... Nov 2 2018, 07:49 AM
rhodyguy While not needing to bash the vendor, it would be ... Nov 2 2018, 07:54 AM
ChrisFoley
While not needing to bash the vendor, it would be... Nov 2 2018, 08:08 AM
rhodyguy It seems anymore OE and OEM can differ. So it... Nov 2 2018, 08:15 AM
Shadowfax
It seems anymore OE and OEM can differ. So it... Nov 2 2018, 08:26 AM
mepstein
It seems anymore OE and OEM can differ. So it... Nov 3 2018, 05:51 AM
dr914@autoatlanta.com The factory clips are a bit flexible to allow for ... Nov 2 2018, 08:19 AM
rhodyguy Here's an example. Pelican. The less expensive... Nov 2 2018, 09:17 AM
bbrock
Here's an example. Pelican. The less expensiv... Nov 2 2018, 09:22 AM
rhodyguy O.E.M. vs OEM. The portion that presses in is off ... Nov 2 2018, 10:13 AM
Chi-town Odd question but what temp is it there when these ... Nov 2 2018, 11:05 AM
raynekat
Odd question but what temp is it there when these... Nov 2 2018, 02:22 PM
Mikey914 Lets look at the failure mode on the clips. Is it ... Nov 2 2018, 10:45 PM
raynekat I can't speak for others, but this is where mi... Nov 3 2018, 12:40 AM
michael7810
I can't speak for others, but this is where m... Nov 4 2018, 06:09 AM
jmitro thanks for posting this concern; I just installed ... Nov 3 2018, 05:37 AM
Bartlett 914 Maybe something changed along the way. I have had ... Nov 3 2018, 08:08 AM
76-914 :popcorn: Nov 3 2018, 08:21 AM
buck toenges I have used Mark's clips and broke a bunch whi... Nov 4 2018, 11:35 AM
Mikey914 That's why I'm asking. Please do post up p... Nov 4 2018, 12:17 PM
jsaum I’ve been in the plastic injection molding indus... Nov 4 2018, 05:28 PM
davep
Some of things I would look at is the same materi... Nov 8 2018, 09:05 PM
DRPHIL914 you can check my build thread I brought this up ba... Nov 4 2018, 05:58 PM
Mikey914 We did do our gating differently. And we do a a pe... Nov 4 2018, 08:39 PM
jsaum
We did do our gating differently. And we do a a p... Nov 8 2018, 10:18 PM
jacksun HI, Would it be possible to change the geometry of... Nov 5 2018, 04:23 AM
HansJan
HI, Would it be possible to change the geometry o... Nov 7 2018, 09:46 AM
ChrisFoley
Original ones are still available at Porsche?
... Nov 7 2018, 10:15 AM
ChrisFoley Here are two pics of failed parts, typical of what... Nov 5 2018, 10:20 AM
raynekat Similar to the failures on mine....
Here are two... Nov 5 2018, 10:43 AM
rhodyguy hard to imagine why the failure occurs in that spe... Nov 5 2018, 10:56 AM
Mikey914 It appears to be a materials issue. It did shear. ... Nov 5 2018, 11:40 PM
jsaum
It appears to be a materials issue. It did shear.... Nov 8 2018, 10:05 PM
SteveL I haven't bought or used any of these windshie... Nov 6 2018, 07:23 AM
Rob-O I don’t think nylon would be a good choice. Iâ€... Nov 8 2018, 11:13 PM
jfort I posted about this issue earlier with regard to s... Nov 9 2018, 10:22 AM
rhodyguy The OEM/O.E.M. thing is weird. The clip listing at... Nov 9 2018, 10:54 AM
DRPHIL914
[quote name='Mikey914' post='2663179' date='Nov 4... Nov 9 2018, 11:15 AM
Mikey914 We've done some research on these over the las... Nov 10 2018, 12:36 PM
raynekat Yes, it makes sense to offer more than the 19 clip... Nov 10 2018, 02:04 PM
raynekat OK....round 3 for the windshield install.
This ti... Nov 13 2018, 11:01 AM
mepstein
OK....round 3 for the windshield install.
This t... Nov 13 2018, 11:10 AM![]() ![]() |
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