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| 914Toy |
Oct 5 2018, 10:52 AM
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 746 Joined: 12-November 17 From: Laguna beach Member No.: 21,596 Region Association: Southern California
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I recently installed a "double" Innovative air/fuel (A/F) gauge with sensors in both headers of my 1977 2.7 911 engine, which is stock except for: ignition, Weber carbs, reground cams (modified SC) for spirited street performance with the carbs, and exhaust headers (MB911). The A/F gauge has assisted final tuning, including fine balancing of the carbs (well worth it).
Ignition is Clewett crank fire with ignition timing set at: 10 deg. idle 800 rpm, 29 deg at 3000 rpm, and 33 deg at 6000rpm. Carbs are Weber 40IDA's with 34 main chokes and tall secondary chokes. Jets are: 145 main's, 180 air correction's, F3 emulsion tubes, and 60 idle's. Engine is running very smoothly at all rpm's, no carb "spitting" or exhaust popping, no hesitation under any acceleration, and instant accelerator response with plenty of power. In other words, running great. However, A/F's are not perfect with 10.5 at idle, 12.5 to 13 at cruising, and high 13's up hill WOT. On a recent uninterrupted 180 miles run on 101 at 3400rpm (78mph), fuel consumption was 24miles per gallon (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I have discussed the A/F ratio issue with several carb "experts" - mostly Old School guys. Consensus is my numbers are as good as it gets vs. near perfect 14.7 A/F one can expect from EFI. Any comments will be welcome. |
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| 914Toy |
Nov 7 2018, 01:29 PM
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 746 Joined: 12-November 17 From: Laguna beach Member No.: 21,596 Region Association: Southern California
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Update:
After much reading and testing ideas to discover how to increase my idle A/F's up from 10 - 10.5, including increasing the idle air jet orifices from 1.10mm (stock) to 1.18mm, I found the cause of my issue yesterday. Previously I had found best idle setting with the idle mixture screws turned completely in (basically closed)? This means that fuel must be entering the throttle bodies from the intermediate orifices in order for the engine to idle. However after several inspections, I could see that the throttle plates were correctly positioned at idle, with their edges covering the lowest intermediate fuel orifice. Cutting a long story short, with the carbs back on my bench, I observed that the idle mixture screws with "cup"washers covering O rings restricted the screws from being fully screwed in, leading to the previous conclusion that the screws were fully screwed in - closed. After removing the washers and O rings, the screws could be screwed in an additional approximately two turns! I reassembled the carbs and installed them with the mixture screws turned open one full turn. After unsuccessfully attempting to start the engine, I opened the mixture screws one half turn and the engine started immediately. After adjusting further to best idle and allowing the engine to warm up, the idle A/F mixture gauge showed steady 13's - success!! I have since learned that my Weber 40IDA's were original equipped with mixture screws that did not have these cup washers and O rings. Here are two pics of the mixture screws: ![]() |
914Toy Jetting Webers on 2.7 911 engine. Oct 5 2018, 10:52 AM
gereed75 Agree with "experts". Those A/F's ... Oct 5 2018, 02:09 PM
TravisNeff Is this an S spec engine, or standard? (35mm ports... Oct 5 2018, 02:46 PM
914Toy
Is this an S spec engine, or standard? (35mm port... Oct 5 2018, 04:53 PM
TravisNeff I got a vent and jet kit from PartsKlassic, they s... Oct 5 2018, 04:59 PM
TravisNeff I got a vent and jet kit from PartsKlassic, they s... Oct 5 2018, 04:59 PM
TravisNeff I got a vent and jet kit from PartsKlassic, they s... Oct 5 2018, 04:59 PM
PanelBilly Sounds like you’ve found a sweet spot. I’ve be... Oct 6 2018, 07:36 AM
larryM see jetting chart here
http://forums.pelicanpart... Oct 6 2018, 11:18 AM
914Toy
see jetting chart here
http://forums.pelicanpar... Oct 6 2018, 01:10 PM
IronHillRestorations You can lean it out a bit by just opening the air ... Oct 6 2018, 08:11 PM
porschetub
You can lean it out a bit by just opening the air... Oct 7 2018, 12:38 AM
larryM more info
check this site - Mike Pierce is ... Oct 6 2018, 10:25 PM
GeorgeRud Paul Abbot’s Performance Oriented site also has ... Oct 7 2018, 07:11 AM
gereed75 i Am not a “Weber guru”. I have worked pretty ... Oct 7 2018, 07:43 AM
porschetub
i Am not a “Weber guru”. I have worked pretty... Oct 7 2018, 04:16 PM
914Toy Thanks for all the responses. After carefully adju... Oct 7 2018, 04:41 PM
72hardtop
Thanks for all the responses. After carefully adj... Oct 9 2018, 04:22 PM
IronHillRestorations If I resort to reaming jets, I use a Sharpie on th... Oct 7 2018, 04:51 PM
914Toy Thanks Perry. This process is above my paygrade :( Oct 7 2018, 11:04 PM
DaveO90s4 Hi Toy914 and all,
Did you use the Innovate ... Oct 7 2018, 11:51 PM
914Toy
Hi Toy914 and all,
Did you use the Innovate ... Oct 8 2018, 08:25 AM
72hardtop With regards to jetting....
If you're using a... Oct 8 2018, 04:48 AM
gereed75 Hardtop,
that is a very good graph and if you un... Oct 8 2018, 08:20 AM
72hardtop
Hardtop,
that is a very good graph and if you u... Oct 8 2018, 08:47 AM
jfort I have a recently completed 2.7 with DFI, PMOs, JE... Oct 8 2018, 09:32 AM
gereed75 Hmmm. Interesting. Did not think that the Weber... Oct 8 2018, 09:54 AM
72hardtop
Hmmm. Interesting. Did not think that the Weber... Oct 8 2018, 10:37 PM
Larmo63 Earlier this year, I had a guy I know tune my Webe... Oct 8 2018, 10:47 PM
72hardtop
Earlier this year, I had a guy I know tune my Web... Oct 8 2018, 10:54 PM
gereed75 Spent some time with the Samba thread - very infor... Oct 9 2018, 09:10 AM
72hardtop
Spent some time with the Samba thread - very info... Oct 9 2018, 11:48 PM
Larmo63 2.4S spec Euro 7R block
36mm heads & manifolds... Oct 9 2018, 02:23 PM
Larmo63 RE: Jetting Webers on 2.7 911 engine. Oct 9 2018, 02:24 PM
gereed75 Larmo,
That is exactly what I am running on may... Oct 9 2018, 06:53 PM
914Toy My engine is running well at all speeds, except fo... Oct 10 2018, 02:03 PM
gereed75 I am not sure where I got these but they graphical... Oct 10 2018, 03:22 PM
72hardtop
My engine is running well at all speeds, except f... Oct 10 2018, 08:17 PM
914Toy After further research and inspection of the carbs... Oct 11 2018, 12:43 PM
72hardtop
After further research and inspection of the carb... Oct 11 2018, 03:40 PM
914Toy
After further research and inspection of the car... Oct 12 2018, 08:49 AM
72hardtop
[quote name='72hardtop' post='2656524' date='Oct ... Oct 12 2018, 10:32 PM
914Toy
[quote name='72hardtop' post='2656524' date='Oct... Oct 13 2018, 08:31 AM
72hardtop
[quote name='72hardtop' post='2656881' date='Oct ... Oct 13 2018, 08:54 AM
914Toy
[quote name='72hardtop' post='2656881' date='Oct... Oct 13 2018, 11:26 AM
914Toy
[quote name='914Toy' post='2656955... Oct 13 2018, 11:31 AM
914Toy Update.
Installing "hatchet" shaped acc... Oct 16 2018, 08:40 AM
72hardtop
Update.
Installing "hatchet" shaped ac... Oct 29 2018, 12:42 AM
larryM y'all may also find this thread relevant
http... Oct 16 2018, 11:15 PM
914Toy Update:
I installed the "hatchet" cams ... Oct 29 2018, 11:18 AM
JmuRiz Good to know, never heard of the hatchet cam, I... Oct 29 2018, 11:41 AM
gereed75 Hmmmm....very interesting and extreme diligence on... Nov 7 2018, 05:51 PM
mb911 Interesting.. I actually need a few of those cup w... Nov 8 2018, 05:01 AM
914Toy
Interesting.. I actually need a few of those cup ... Nov 8 2018, 09:54 AM
TravisNeff You can find a lot of the little parts at partskla... Nov 8 2018, 08:55 AM
72hardtop FYI....
There are also 2 types of idle jets used ... Jan 29 2019, 03:06 PM
Mark Henry I'm running same, just a bit bigger main jet o... Jan 29 2019, 04:40 PM![]() ![]() |
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