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post Jan 2 2019, 01:36 PM
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I know @MarkHenry has talked about this but I want to also do this and have a few questions..

I need to buy my stainless lines for my car and my question is that I have a PMO regulator that has a return to the tank and am using Webers on my -6.. Should I be running all 4 lines from Tangerine or is there another better option?? I want this system safe..
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post Jan 4 2019, 09:09 AM
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Couple questions:
1) I think Mark mentioned this on other threads, but with a bypass regulator and return line, you should be able to run the stock FI pump on a /4, correct? What are the pros and cons of running a higher pressure pump with a bypass? One advantage for me is one less thing to buy but wondering about performance, reliability, and longevity.

2) What is the advantage of D over C? C looks to be the stock setup with allowance for a relocated pump. Just curious.
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post Jan 4 2019, 10:26 AM
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QUOTE(bbrock @ Jan 4 2019, 10:09 AM) *

Couple questions:
1) I think Mark mentioned this on other threads, but with a bypass regulator and return line, you should be able to run the stock FI pump on a /4, correct? What are the pros and cons of running a higher pressure pump with a bypass? One advantage for me is one less thing to buy but wondering about performance, reliability, and longevity.

2) What is the advantage of D over C? C looks to be the stock setup with allowance for a relocated pump. Just curious.


A pump is just a pump, it doesn't build pressure, that's the regulators job. Put a FI pump on with no regulator and it won't build any pressure, lots of flow, but no psi. Main difference between the two pumps is the FI pump has a built in one way valve and working with the reg can generate the higher pressure.
If you think about it a stock /4 FI reg may be set to higher psi but it's still bypassing 99% of the time.


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I would imagine that D over C would be good due to potential pressure drop after passing through the first carb


No difference, in theory C would be slightly better because it's always cool fuel right at the carb.
By that logic in a FI system each injector down the line would have less pressure, which is not the case.
In layman's terms think of it like a parallel vs series electrical circuit, parallel doesn't lose voltage. The fuel circuit flow is much like a parallel circuit, therefore no pressure drop.
Note that in C the fuel just bypasses through the carb inlet port, it doesn't go into the float bowl and back out.
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post Jan 11 2019, 09:23 AM
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QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Jan 4 2019, 09:26 AM) *

QUOTE(bbrock @ Jan 4 2019, 10:09 AM) *

Couple questions:
1) I think Mark mentioned this on other threads, but with a bypass regulator and return line, you should be able to run the stock FI pump on a /4, correct? What are the pros and cons of running a higher pressure pump with a bypass? One advantage for me is one less thing to buy but wondering about performance, reliability, and longevity.


A pump is just a pump, it doesn't build pressure, that's the regulators job. Put a FI pump on with no regulator and it won't build any pressure, lots of flow, but no psi. Main difference between the two pumps is the FI pump has a built in one way valve and working with the reg can generate the higher pressure.
If you think about it a stock /4 FI reg may be set to higher psi but it's still bypassing 99% of the time.


In researching bypass regulators, another question has popped up. Is the 8mm return line large enough to handle the return flow from a stock EFI pump while maintaining a low 3-4 psi to the carbs? Aeromotive suggests a 3/8" (9.5mm) return line for most stock EFI pumps to prevent restricting return flow to the point it builds pressure above the regulator setpoint. Sounds like the setup I'm contemplating has been used successfully before but thought I'd check.
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mb911   Recirculation circuit for -6 with carbs..   Jan 2 2019, 01:36 PM
TravisNeff   I am doing the same setup, PMO regulator and new t...   Jan 2 2019, 02:30 PM
db9146   Ben, Just curious....if carbs typically require 3 ...   Jan 2 2019, 02:30 PM
TravisNeff   I got this 10 micron filter from Summit and ordere...   Jan 2 2019, 02:38 PM
mb911   The advantage is cooler fuel.. Less vapor locking....   Jan 2 2019, 02:40 PM
TravisNeff   Yes, you can run a FI fuel pump and will return th...   Jan 2 2019, 02:40 PM
TravisNeff   http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=2...   Jan 2 2019, 03:43 PM
mb911   http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=...   Jan 2 2019, 04:04 PM
dr914@autoatlanta.com   I would definitely recycle the fuel to keep it coo...   Jan 2 2019, 03:54 PM
bbrock   Well I'm just running a -4 but am doing the sa...   Jan 2 2019, 04:44 PM
GeorgeRud   I took another approach and moved a Pierburg low p...   Jan 2 2019, 04:55 PM
Krieger   I was running a PMO "regulator" on my 3....   Jan 2 2019, 11:58 PM
jkb944t   I was running a PMO "regulator" on my 3...   Jan 3 2019, 06:58 AM
rgalla9146   The ideal is the OEM Bosch 3 port fuel pump (009) ...   Jan 3 2019, 09:10 AM
Krieger   I have a mallory 110 that is rated for 7psi.   Jan 3 2019, 09:24 AM
campbellcj   I have been using a Holley Red 7psi pump with no r...   Jan 3 2019, 09:46 AM
IronHillRestorations   There's primarily two types of pressure regula...   Jan 3 2019, 10:00 AM
914Toy   I generally follow the strategy of "keep it s...   Jan 3 2019, 11:00 AM
brant   a return line produces cooler fuel and should prod...   Jan 3 2019, 11:16 AM
Mark Henry   a return line produces cooler fuel and should pro...   Jan 3 2019, 02:10 PM
Valy   The return line keeps your fuel cool and cools dow...   Jan 3 2019, 11:50 AM
sixnotfour   my vote D   Jan 3 2019, 01:38 PM
gereed75   Don’t have a return line, using option A with a ...   Jan 3 2019, 02:00 PM
IronHillRestorations   A with a blocking regulator, or E with a bypass   Jan 3 2019, 02:17 PM
TravisNeff   Filter before or after the pump, or does it not ma...   Jan 3 2019, 10:44 PM
Mark Henry   Filter before or after the pump, or does it not m...   Jan 4 2019, 07:37 AM
TravisNeff   Filter before or after the pump, or does it not ...   Jan 4 2019, 07:51 AM
IronHillRestorations   Three filters, one before the pump and two at each...   Jan 4 2019, 08:39 AM
TravisNeff   Three filters, one before the pump and two at eac...   Jan 4 2019, 08:59 AM
bbrock   Couple questions: 1) I think Mark mentioned this o...   Jan 4 2019, 09:09 AM
Mark Henry   Couple questions: 1) I think Mark mentioned this ...   Jan 4 2019, 10:26 AM
bbrock   [quote name='bbrock' post='2678746' date='Jan 4 2...   Jan 11 2019, 09:23 AM
TravisNeff   I would imagine that D over C would be good due to...   Jan 4 2019, 09:38 AM
IronHillRestorations   The PMO fuel rails are made so you can screw small...   Jan 4 2019, 02:31 PM
campbellcj   I have those PMO rails in a 'loop' configu...   Jan 5 2019, 08:22 AM
IronHillRestorations   I have those PMO rails in a 'loop' config...   Jan 5 2019, 01:17 PM
Mark Henry   Wait a minute! You have way to many spark ...   Jan 5 2019, 01:30 PM
slivel   Here is my bypass fuel system: Supply line to shut...   Jan 5 2019, 12:48 PM
Krieger   Steve. Do you run the fuel pressure regulator all...   Jan 5 2019, 12:59 PM
slivel   Steve. Do you run the fuel pressure regulator al...   Jan 5 2019, 01:12 PM
Mark Henry   [quote name='bbrock' post='2678746' date='Jan 4 ...   Jan 11 2019, 10:37 AM
bbrock   I posted this on my build thread but thought I...   Jan 14 2019, 10:02 AM


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