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> 1973 Horn Don’t work
MiniStevieG
post Feb 5 2019, 01:51 PM
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Getting my new whip ready for inspection and discovered my horn has issues. The horn was disconnected from the bumper and now I know why. It won’t stop blowing when I hook the wire back up to the actual horn. I removed the horn assembly on the steering wheel and and for obvious reasons it stops because the mechanism is no longer grounded. I tested the ground wire on the steering wheel and can hear the relay clicking when I disconnect the actual horn so all is good with that. Everything makes sense up till now. Problem is, when I connect the ground wire the assembly and attach it to the steering wheel the horn won’t stop honking. I assume it’s staying grounded when I hook it up. Been troubleshooting it for a little while and I’m wondering what the issue might be. Any thoughts?

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First--when you move the wire up the steering column so that the connector on the end is not touching a ground, does the horn still sound? If it does, you have a short somewhere and need to find it.

If that stops the horn from sounding then the circuit is probably OK.

Check for electrical connectivity between the inner metal part visible in your photo and the outer metal part that has the tab in it. There should be ZERO connectivity, infinite resistance. If you have a short there, that is the cause of the horn sounding.

There should be plastic spacers and washers between the inner and outer metal parts there. If someone put metal washers in, the screws will make contact with both and will cause them to be electrically connected together.

Lastly, make sure that the wire doesn't get pinched against any metal bits when you put the button back on the wheel, and that the rubber "boot" actually pushes the button away from the steering wheel when you're not pushing it down.

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QUOTE(Dave_Darling @ Feb 5 2019, 05:37 PM) *

First--when you move the wire up the steering column so that the connector on the end is not touching a ground, does the horn still sound? If it does, you have a short somewhere and need to find it.

If that stops the horn from sounding then the circuit is probably OK.

Check for electrical connectivity between the inner metal part visible in your photo and the outer metal part that has the tab in it. There should be ZERO connectivity, infinite resistance. If you have a short there, that is the cause of the horn sounding.

There should be plastic spacers and washers between the inner and outer metal parts there. If someone put metal washers in, the screws will make contact with both and will cause them to be electrically connected together.

Lastly, make sure that the wire doesn't get pinched against any metal bits when you put the button back on the wheel, and that the rubber "boot" actually pushes the button away from the steering wheel when you're not pushing it down.

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Thank you! The horn only sounds when I make contact with the ground wire so it is working. I’m not seeing plastic spacers in this assembly and did some research on it. I also don’t see where others have plastic spacers unless I’m missing something. I’ll keep researching. May just have to break down and buy another steering wheel with a horn that works to pass inspection in the meantime then work on my old one.
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post Feb 6 2019, 04:52 PM
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QUOTE(MiniStevieG @ Feb 6 2019, 02:49 PM) *

QUOTE(Dave_Darling @ Feb 5 2019, 05:37 PM) *

First--when you move the wire up the steering column so that the connector on the end is not touching a ground, does the horn still sound? If it does, you have a short somewhere and need to find it.

If that stops the horn from sounding then the circuit is probably OK.

Check for electrical connectivity between the inner metal part visible in your photo and the outer metal part that has the tab in it. There should be ZERO connectivity, infinite resistance. If you have a short there, that is the cause of the horn sounding.

There should be plastic spacers and washers between the inner and outer metal parts there. If someone put metal washers in, the screws will make contact with both and will cause them to be electrically connected together.

Lastly, make sure that the wire doesn't get pinched against any metal bits when you put the button back on the wheel, and that the rubber "boot" actually pushes the button away from the steering wheel when you're not pushing it down.

--DD


Thank you! The horn only sounds when I make contact with the ground wire so it is working. I’m not seeing plastic spacers in this assembly and did some research on it. I also don’t see where others have plastic spacers unless I’m missing something. I’ll keep researching. May just have to break down and buy another steering wheel with a horn that works to pass inspection in the meantime then work on my old one.


Unscrew the three screws in your pic. There should be three plastic washers to isolate the inner puck with the springs that clip onto your wheel from the larger metal base that the ground wire connects to. If they are missing, you'll be completing the ground circuit as soon as the horn pad is clipped onto the wheel and the horn will go beep. You can just go to the hardware store and pick up some plastic washers to insert there. The goal is to have metal to metal contact between those two pieces only when the horn pad is pressed. I'm betting that's the problem, but if not, the rubber spring cup being worn out would be the next suspect.
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QUOTE(bbrock @ Feb 6 2019, 04:52 PM) *

QUOTE(MiniStevieG @ Feb 6 2019, 02:49 PM) *

QUOTE(Dave_Darling @ Feb 5 2019, 05:37 PM) *

First--when you move the wire up the steering column so that the connector on the end is not touching a ground, does the horn still sound? If it does, you have a short somewhere and need to find it.

If that stops the horn from sounding then the circuit is probably OK.

Check for electrical connectivity between the inner metal part visible in your photo and the outer metal part that has the tab in it. There should be ZERO connectivity, infinite resistance. If you have a short there, that is the cause of the horn sounding.

There should be plastic spacers and washers between the inner and outer metal parts there. If someone put metal washers in, the screws will make contact with both and will cause them to be electrically connected together.

Lastly, make sure that the wire doesn't get pinched against any metal bits when you put the button back on the wheel, and that the rubber "boot" actually pushes the button away from the steering wheel when you're not pushing it down.

--DD


Thank you! The horn only sounds when I make contact with the ground wire so it is working. I’m not seeing plastic spacers in this assembly and did some research on it. I also don’t see where others have plastic spacers unless I’m missing something. I’ll keep researching. May just have to break down and buy another steering wheel with a horn that works to pass inspection in the meantime then work on my old one.


Unscrew the three screws in your pic. There should be three plastic washers to isolate the inner puck with the springs that clip onto your wheel from the larger metal base that the ground wire connects to. If they are missing, you'll be completing the ground circuit as soon as the horn pad is clipped onto the wheel and the horn will go beep. You can just go to the hardware store and pick up some plastic washers to insert there. The goal is to have metal to metal contact between those two pieces only when the horn pad is pressed. I'm betting that's the problem, but if not, the rubber spring cup being worn out would be the next suspect.


Yep that was it. Picked up some nylon washers similar to the ones pictured. Put it all back together and works like a charm. Thank you for your help!!
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MiniStevieG   1973 Horn Don’t work   Feb 5 2019, 01:51 PM
mepstein   You have the correct pieces for the horn pad.   Feb 5 2019, 03:18 PM
MiniStevieG   You have the correct pieces for the horn pad. T...   Feb 5 2019, 03:53 PM
mepstein   You have the correct pieces for the horn pad. ...   Feb 5 2019, 04:41 PM
1adam12   If you do have the correct horn pad just make sure...   Feb 5 2019, 04:52 PM
Dave_Darling   First--when you move the wire up the steering colu...   Feb 5 2019, 05:37 PM
MiniStevieG   First--when you move the wire up the steering col...   Feb 6 2019, 03:49 PM
bbrock   First--when you move the wire up the steering co...   Feb 6 2019, 04:52 PM
MiniStevieG   [quote name='MiniStevieG' post='2686814' date='Fe...   Feb 7 2019, 12:21 AM
MiniStevieG   [quote name='MiniStevieG' post='2686814' date='Fe...   Feb 10 2019, 10:39 PM
Rand   Make your brakes louder?   Feb 5 2019, 08:54 PM
MiniStevieG   Make your brakes louder? Haha!! Man Iâ...   Feb 6 2019, 03:22 PM
Dave_Darling   Also plastic washers under the screw heads. Other...   Feb 7 2019, 03:55 PM
no1uno   Sorry, I couldn't resist...   Feb 7 2019, 04:28 PM
76-914   You won't regret changing out that worn rubber...   Feb 12 2019, 10:59 AM
isdyl   Hi - sorry to open up this thread again but I...   May 13 2019, 08:18 AM
Dave_Darling   Check the first picture in this thread. That...   May 13 2019, 05:26 PM
mepstein   Check the first picture in this thread. That...   May 13 2019, 05:33 PM
Larmo63   I've futzed around with the tiny wire you have...   May 13 2019, 06:21 PM
mepstein   I've futzed around with the tiny wire you hav...   May 13 2019, 06:52 PM
isdyl   Many thanks - I'll have another go at it today...   May 14 2019, 12:17 AM
isdyl   Great - all working thanks!   May 14 2019, 03:30 AM
Rand   I'm offering up props here. So many times thre...   May 14 2019, 11:28 AM


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