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> threw another #3 rod, how to prevent this from happening again.
crash914
post Oct 29 2019, 03:17 PM
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So blew up my #3 rod. wondering what caused this. lack of oil, due to rpm? poor return? oil pump sucking air?

last time it was #2 rod. I really don't want to live with this again.

Motor specs,
Dual oil coolers with full flow plumbing
102 bore by 80mm stroke
long rods,
ham heads and valve train.
Running to 6800 rpm
g loads to 1.5
windage tray modified at pushrod tubes for oil flow
tuna can with 1/2 extra oil

Pics of horror below. First are this failure, then old failure.
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post Nov 4 2019, 07:33 PM
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The CB pump is okay, but it has an internal cross over that can cavitate at high revs.

I used a Bugpack pump that came with 3 30mm gear sets and had the same cross over. I eliminated the cross over and one gear set. I did this by separating two gear sets with a hardened steel plate and shortening the shafts. This way the scavenged oil exited the engine through the cases original pressure circuit that originally lead to the stock oil filter.

With the external regulator I was able to dial in the pressure to a steady 50psi. That's not as much as most people run, but it's plenty of pressure. Observing the bypassed oil going back to the tank on the chassis dyno and comparing it to the scavenged oil returning to the tank I was able to estimate that ~ half of what was drawn from the tank was bypassed back, meaning that ~20mm of pressure side gear was plenty to generate a constant 50psi at 240* oil temps.

The modded Bugpack pump is on the left, the CB on the right. Once finished it fit behind the fan housing with only a slight bit of clearancing to a rib on the housing.

And yes, in case you're wondering, the old 10psi for every 1000rpm's is old school overkill. We ran 8300rpm's with 50psi for two years with zero issue. And on the dyno the difference between 60psi and 50psi was in the neighborhood of 5hp over 7Krpm's.

For a few years I circle tracked a 2.3 Ford mini-stock and ran over 8500rpms with 40psi and 275* oil temps. Never hurt a bearing though the oil temps did shorten valve spring life.Attached ImageAttached ImageAttached Image
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crash914   threw another #3 rod   Oct 29 2019, 03:17 PM
Chi-town   What kind of rod is that? Looks aftermarket? Odd ...   Oct 29 2019, 04:38 PM
wndsrfr   With the stroker crank, do a really thorough inspe...   Oct 29 2019, 07:31 PM
HAM Inc   Man that sucks! I think the rod bearing seized...   Oct 29 2019, 04:57 PM
crash914   I did get some warning (that I ignored) running h...   Oct 29 2019, 06:14 PM
HAM Inc   I did get some warning (that I ignored) running ...   Oct 30 2019, 07:35 PM
Superhawk996   Not trying to be a jackass . . . but sometimes i...   Oct 29 2019, 06:28 PM
Superhawk996   On a more constructive note. Play with this cen...   Oct 29 2019, 07:12 PM
Chris914n6   I can't think of a motor with nearly a 4...   Oct 29 2019, 11:14 PM
rick 918-S   I can't think of a motor with nearly a 4...   Nov 1 2019, 06:49 AM
GregAmy   :agree: check your connecting rod ratio to assi...   Nov 1 2019, 07:00 AM
falcor75   Pushing an engine with low oil pressure and knocki...   Oct 29 2019, 11:46 PM
crash914   I accept the responsibility for the failure. No ne...   Oct 30 2019, 10:53 AM
jd74914   I accept the responsibility for the failure. No n...   Oct 30 2019, 12:28 PM
ClayPerrine   I accept the responsibility for the failure. No n...   Oct 30 2019, 12:59 PM
mepstein   Regarding bearings, I’m curious why 6800 is hig...   Oct 30 2019, 11:33 AM
crash914   Exactly what I thought also. That the valve train...   Oct 30 2019, 11:50 AM
johnhora   Herb.. 20 hours is pretty good for MTTF were both...   Oct 30 2019, 11:50 AM
crash914   I will know more after the post. Engine is ready ...   Oct 30 2019, 12:40 PM
sixnotfour   Clay that's a 66x95 2.8....76 911 66x90 2.5+....   Oct 30 2019, 01:55 PM
ClayPerrine   Clay that's a 66x95 2.8....76 911 66x90 2.5+...   Oct 30 2019, 01:56 PM
sixnotfour   All I Know is; Type Four Sale :idea: :lol4: :dr...   Oct 30 2019, 02:01 PM
crash914   oil temp was elevated due to the rod bearing failu...   Oct 30 2019, 07:45 PM
jd74914   Thinking out loud here...Why are you running high ...   Oct 30 2019, 08:16 PM
yeahmag   I had to rebuild two motors before switching to a ...   Oct 30 2019, 09:30 PM
crash914   actually my CR is higher, more like 10:1. I hate ...   Oct 31 2019, 05:18 AM
HAM Inc   Don't vent the heads. Oil pools in vented T4 h...   Oct 31 2019, 06:21 AM
VaccaRabite   Don't vent the heads. Oil pools in vented T4 ...   Oct 31 2019, 09:57 AM
crash914   Good read. Thanks Len. For things to note, I did ...   Oct 31 2019, 08:29 AM
HAM Inc   Good read. Thanks Len. For things to note, I did...   Oct 31 2019, 03:56 PM
yeahmag   I employed Lens and Jakes work on the current moto...   Oct 31 2019, 08:43 AM
crash914   Len, just so I am clear, plug the head vents, don...   Oct 31 2019, 03:59 PM
HAM Inc   Len, just so I am clear, plug the head vents, don...   Oct 31 2019, 05:02 PM
GregAmy   Totally taking this off-topic a bit further...last...   Oct 31 2019, 04:10 PM
HAM Inc   Totally taking this off-topic a bit further...las...   Oct 31 2019, 05:20 PM
GregAmy   Greg you don't need anymore oil incidents...   Oct 31 2019, 05:39 PM
HAM Inc   [quote name='HAM Inc' post='2758607' date='Oct 31...   Oct 31 2019, 06:20 PM
GregAmy   The NOLA "Jackie Stewart" commentary is ...   Nov 1 2019, 05:08 AM
HAM Inc   The NOLA "Jackie Stewart" commentary is...   Nov 1 2019, 07:35 PM
Superhawk996   I would spend in the neighborhood of a 100 hours...   Nov 2 2019, 01:53 PM
cuddy_k   Curious...could unbalanced components accelerate t...   Oct 31 2019, 04:10 PM
yeahmag   Greg, Just make sure that you increase the chimne...   Oct 31 2019, 05:23 PM
GregAmy   Just make sure that you increase the chimney vent ...   Oct 31 2019, 05:42 PM
crash914   I did run it to failure. Before this last event t...   Nov 1 2019, 07:14 AM
Mark Henry   To me 6800 rpm is really pushing the limits of a s...   Nov 1 2019, 12:46 PM
crash914   Thanks Mark, I was hoping to get your insite. Try ...   Nov 1 2019, 01:38 PM
dirk2056   When I had my heads reworked the machine shop clos...   Nov 1 2019, 02:23 PM
crash914   It sounds like it was a good idea.   Nov 1 2019, 02:41 PM
GregAmy   Dat's purdy work up there...if you're bore...   Nov 3 2019, 06:15 AM
HAM Inc   Colin Chapman was a genius. He would have gun dril...   Nov 3 2019, 08:50 AM
type2man   One thing no one else has asked is how were the ot...   Nov 3 2019, 12:21 PM
crash914   Engine is out, I won't have a chance to split ...   Nov 3 2019, 07:53 PM
HAM Inc   Herb, based on the picture of your crank I'd b...   Nov 4 2019, 07:10 AM
GregAmy   FWIW, the prior owner of my car kept losing rod be...   Nov 4 2019, 07:29 AM
crash914   Oil starvation makes sense. More to come. The que...   Nov 4 2019, 07:34 AM
GregAmy   The question will be how to address it without bre...   Nov 4 2019, 12:29 PM
HAM Inc   Herb are you running an accusump? I'm of the...   Nov 4 2019, 06:52 PM
GregAmy   Nice, Len! I, too, have been thinking about t...   Nov 4 2019, 07:08 PM
HAM Inc   The CB pump is okay, but it has an internal cross ...   Nov 4 2019, 07:33 PM
HAM Inc   Some more pics. Opening the scavenge port in the c...   Nov 4 2019, 07:46 PM
Superhawk996   :rotfl: Laughing at all the work that that goes ...   Nov 4 2019, 07:53 PM
GregAmy   I'm amazed at the work that went into this dev...   Nov 4 2019, 08:25 PM
HAM Inc   I'm amazed at the work that went into this de...   Nov 5 2019, 07:20 AM
crash914   I do have and run a tuna can. I do not have an acc...   Nov 4 2019, 09:18 PM
Superhawk996   Don't think I will use a 80mm crank though. ...   Nov 5 2019, 05:55 AM
crash914   But what a fun motor! Light up the tires whene...   Nov 5 2019, 06:31 AM
Superhawk996   But what a fun motor! Light up the tires when...   Nov 5 2019, 06:27 PM
crash914   The tires I light up are 225 45 15 Hoosier A7...   Nov 5 2019, 07:05 PM
crash914   Motor is disassembled. See below for some picture...   Nov 10 2019, 03:43 PM
crash914   A couple more pictures.   Nov 10 2019, 03:45 PM
crash914   case GA000277 is history..   Nov 10 2019, 03:46 PM
VaccaRabite   I have a 2L case you are welcome to. Zach   Nov 12 2019, 08:41 AM
crash914   Thanks Zach! I might take you up on that offe...   Nov 12 2019, 08:45 AM


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