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> So what advantages, besides rear mount cooler, small /6 conversions offer?
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post Nov 14 2019, 03:14 PM
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Yeah, back to looking at 2.2 and 2.4 engines while day dreaming. Not sure it is relational...

Just curious If there are any significant handling/weight advantages. I don’t think so, so does it come down to aesthetics of how the engine spin and sound?

I will duck and cover now...
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post Nov 14 2019, 04:06 PM
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Mag cases are lighter
Smaller engines have a different sound
No oil cooler needed on the mild builds
Easier on the trans and less conversion parts needed.

I drove a narrow body 6 with a 160ish hp engine and custom gears. It had some glass lids, bumpers, some other light weight stuff and sticky tires. It was a blast!
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QUOTE(mepstein @ Nov 14 2019, 02:06 PM) *

Mag cases are lighter
Smaller engines have a different sound
No oil cooler needed on the mild builds
Easier on the trans and less conversion parts needed.

I drove a narrow body 6 with a 160ish hp engine and custom gears. It had some glass lids, bumpers, some other light weight stuff and sticky tires. It was a blast!



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Have driven all sorts of conversions over the years, and a really well done 3.2 or 3.6 (or 3.8) can be really nice, but there's something about a mag case 2.0 or 2.2. Sounds, the way it spins, all that. I've got a 2.2 making 169 hp at the wheels, or 160~ at the wheels with the factory airbox in place, and have little interest in more power. 190-200 is a pretty nice sweet spot in a narrow 914—not fast by modern standards but not slow, either, and more importantly satisfyingly powerful and fun. The little 2.2 is surprisingly torquey, too, as it has Solex cams. Sometimes, it's hard to believe the midrange torque is from just 2.2 liters. Has 2.7/3.0 driveability with 2.2 revviness and sounds. Downside is no 911S 2.2 rush from 6000-7200 rpm—it pulls "just okay" up there. I'd have a tough time trading the midrange drivability for the top-end rush, but I do think about it from time to time. So far, no need for an external cooler, though I am thinking about one mounted at the back of the car for "that time I needed an oil cooler after all."

If I was going to go longer stroke, I'd probably want to have something bigger than a 2.4 but the most fun 914 I ever drove was a GT-bodied car with a 2.2S w/MFI, short gears, and a diff. It was a hoot—everything felt "right."

To each their own...I can see where a 3.2 Motronic is deeply appealing, too.
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I've had many 911 engined cars... the most boring were a 3.2 and a 964 3.6. The most fun were a 2.2S MFI and a 2.7RS with Webers. Lightweight, the sound, the smell, the feel!

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QUOTE(mepstein @ Nov 14 2019, 02:06 PM) *

Mag cases are lighter
Smaller engines have a different sound
No oil cooler needed on the mild builds
Easier on the trans and less conversion parts needed.

I drove a narrow body 6 with a 160ish hp engine and custom gears. It had some glass lids, bumpers, some other light weight stuff and sticky tires. It was a blast!



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Have driven all sorts of conversions over the years, and a really well done 3.2 or 3.6 (or 3.8) can be really nice, but there's something about a mag case 2.0 or 2.2. Sounds, the way it spins, all that. I've got a 2.2 making 169 hp at the wheels, or 160~ at the wheels with the factory airbag in place, and have little interest in more power. It is surprisingly torquey, too, as it has Solex cams. Downside is no 911S 2.2 rush from 5000-6000 rpm on up to redline. So far, no need for an external cooler, though I am thinking about one mounted at the back of the car for "that time I needed an oil cooler after all."

If I was going to go longer stroke, I'd probably want to have something bigger than a 2.4 but the most fun 914 I ever drove was a GT-bodied car with a 2.2S w/MFI, short gears, and a diff. It was a hoot—everything felt "right."

To each their own...I can see where a 3.2 Motronic is deeply appealing, too.

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Tdskip   So what advantages, besides rear mount cooler, small /6 conversions offer?   Nov 14 2019, 03:14 PM
mb911   Less low end tq, same if not more cost to rebuild....   Nov 14 2019, 03:23 PM
brant   the advantages for a small bore -6 are really depe...   Nov 14 2019, 03:31 PM
mepstein   Mag cases are lighter Smaller engines have a diffe...   Nov 14 2019, 04:06 PM
Superhawk996   Mag cases are lighter Smaller engines have a diff...   Nov 14 2019, 04:27 PM
horizontally-opposed   Mag cases are lighter Smaller engines have a diff...   Nov 14 2019, 05:36 PM
roblav1   I've had many 911 engined cars... the most b...   Nov 14 2019, 06:40 PM
Mark Henry   It's not that much lighter, I forget but it...   Nov 14 2019, 06:57 PM
gereed75   Mine is a 2.4 S heads, Weber’s with mod Solex ca...   Nov 14 2019, 07:07 PM
porschetub   Mine is a 2.4 S heads, Weber’s with mod Solex c...   Nov 15 2019, 02:44 PM
mepstein   Mine is a 2.4 S heads, Weber’s with mod Solex ...   Nov 15 2019, 03:24 PM
Superhawk996   Lifted from Pelican or somewhere else along the li...   Nov 14 2019, 08:32 PM
Tdskip   Thanks for the weight specs @superhawk996 Looks...   Nov 14 2019, 08:49 PM
Mark Henry   Thanks for the weight specs [b]@[url=http://www....   Nov 15 2019, 07:32 AM
Superhawk996   Many have the opinion that the /4 handles better...   Nov 15 2019, 08:17 AM
mepstein   For me, the 3.2's make sense because I like th...   Nov 14 2019, 09:00 PM
ConeDodger   For me, the 3.2's make sense because I like t...   Nov 14 2019, 09:04 PM
campbellcj   Gotta said I really had a blast with my car in mag...   Nov 15 2019, 07:59 AM
brant   2.0/6 with twin plugs and 906 cams... the sound: ...   Nov 15 2019, 10:34 AM
horizontally-opposed   2.0/6 with twin plugs and 906 cams... the sound:...   Nov 15 2019, 01:17 PM
jmitro   the sound: hallet race OT but that's not Hal...   Nov 16 2019, 06:07 PM
brant   [quote name='brant' post='2762301' date='Nov 15 2...   Nov 16 2019, 10:43 PM
gereed75   10 pounds per horsepower is a pretty quick car and...   Nov 15 2019, 06:36 PM
Superhawk996   10 pounds per horsepower is a pretty quick car an...   Nov 15 2019, 07:37 PM
Tdskip   @mepstein - did those items you listed off come u...   Nov 15 2019, 07:18 PM
mepstein   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s...   Nov 15 2019, 08:11 PM
914forme   Pretty good list, but I can add to that. Shorten ...   Nov 15 2019, 08:29 PM
mepstein   I figured if I took off 200-250lbs, the weight of ...   Nov 15 2019, 08:44 PM
johnhora   Tdskip What's the planned use for the 914...t...   Nov 15 2019, 09:36 PM
ClayPerrine   Betty would say "This is cute, coming from th...   Nov 16 2019, 05:43 AM
Superhawk996   :agree: Amen Clay. I've seen different ve...   Nov 16 2019, 07:42 AM
mepstein   Sounds like my Morini sport. Underpowered compared...   Nov 16 2019, 07:48 AM
phillstek   I’ve had four x sixes in my car over the 31 year...   Nov 16 2019, 04:09 PM
Maltese Falcon   I think the hot rod T4 engines def have an advanta...   Nov 16 2019, 05:10 PM
sixnotfour   I think the hot rod T4 engines def have an advant...   Nov 17 2019, 01:17 AM
mlindner   Not sure of any advantage other than fun. Last sta...   Nov 17 2019, 05:42 AM
Mark Henry   Any size /6 while I'd agree it's stupid mo...   Nov 17 2019, 08:54 AM
Tdskip   That engine looks fantastic   Nov 17 2019, 09:25 AM
mlindner   That looks great Mark H. thanks for the pics.   Nov 17 2019, 10:10 AM
Mark Henry   That engine looks fantastic That looks great Ma...   Nov 17 2019, 07:33 PM


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