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| Tdskip |
Nov 16 2019, 01:01 PM
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Hi guys - I know how it is commonly done including Ian’s great video. Is there a reason why not to use bushing grease instead of softsoap?
So you want the bushing NOT to move or rotate ones installed? I assume that is a reason but wanted to ask. Thanks. |
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| Superhawk996 |
Nov 18 2019, 07:25 PM
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There is a obviously a heated debate of poly vs. rubber. Each has it's place depending on whether you intend to use the car primarily on the street or whether you want to trade comfort and maintenace for decreased compliance.
But ask yourself this. Why is it that all major OEM's use rubber busings? It is not simply money. Check under any new Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Audi, BMW, etc., you will find rubber bushings. Each OEM referenced could use polyurethane if it were simply the "smarter" choice. The fact is that rubber is simply superior when it comes to balancing all the conflicting trade-offs (ride, steering, NVH, durability, freedom from maintenance to name a few). There is far more to a modern rubber bushing than meets the eye. A rubber bushing can be designed to have a wide variety of characteristics via rubber durometer, section thickness, voids, bonding methods, physical construction methods affect it like axial pre-load by squeezing it into a "can", etc. Want dual durometer rubber in the same part? Dual durometer can, and, has been done. Rubber bushings can be tuned to a combination of static rates (simple deflection in any single axis), Dynamic rates (how does the rate respond to varying road frequency inputs). They can be designed to have incredibly high damping characteristics at a single freqency via tuned chambers that contain glycol (called hydro bushings). Yes, I acknowledge that the 1970's era 914 bushing is indeed very simple, but, they were engineered for a purpose which was to optimize the balance between ride, handling, maintenace, and outright durability. You may shift any of the conflicting characteristics (like ride vs. handling) to gain an advantage, but, you will not find a better material than rubber to provide an optimal solution for general street use. |
Tdskip Why not use bushing grease on a-arm bushings? Nov 16 2019, 01:01 PM
Chi-town petroleum based greases will degrade rubber Nov 16 2019, 01:30 PM
914werke An alternate to soap would be Glycerin Nov 16 2019, 01:56 PM
Tdskip Hi guys - happy Saturday.
What about standard sil... Nov 16 2019, 02:47 PM
IronHillRestorations KY works great on factory rubber bushings Nov 17 2019, 06:33 AM
bbrock The press fit of the original rubber bushings is s... Nov 17 2019, 09:37 AM
Tdskip
The press fit of the original rubber bushings is ... Nov 17 2019, 10:43 AM
jmitro
So you want the bushing NOT to move or rotate one... Nov 17 2019, 11:03 AM
Superhawk996
So you want the bushing NOT to move or rotate on... Nov 17 2019, 11:44 AM
Tdskip Great discussion, thanks Nov 17 2019, 11:59 AM
Chi-town Or just use a quality poly bushing like Powerflex ... Nov 17 2019, 03:33 PM
Superhawk996
Or just use a quality poly bushing like Powerflex... Nov 17 2019, 04:04 PM
Tdskip Well - tried the URO bushings and they kept deform... Nov 17 2019, 04:17 PM
Superhawk996
Well - tried the URO bushings and they kept defor... Nov 17 2019, 05:02 PM
bbrock
Well - tried the URO bushings and they kept defor... Nov 17 2019, 06:11 PM
Tdskip @Superhawk996 - thanks for the detailed response.... Nov 17 2019, 05:22 PM
Chi-town When a rubber bushing binds it acts as just like t... Nov 17 2019, 09:23 PM
jmitro It also doesn't bind like the rubber stock un... Nov 17 2019, 11:32 PM
Mikey914 The OEM are intended to set a zero preload on the ... Nov 17 2019, 09:45 PM
Chi-town If you get a Powerflex bushing to bind you have do... Nov 18 2019, 12:39 AM
Mikey914
If you get a Powerflex bushing to bind you have d... Nov 18 2019, 10:54 AM
914bub They are torsilastic bushings.
... Nov 18 2019, 01:00 AM
Tdskip As a sidenote to this discussion on the British ca... Nov 18 2019, 06:55 AM
IronHillRestorations The factory front bushings are relatively cheap, ... Nov 18 2019, 07:18 AM
Chi-town If you set up the bushings according to the angles... Nov 18 2019, 03:04 PM
Mikey914 We are making the rears now and will be ready in a... Nov 18 2019, 03:56 PM
Chi-town
We are making the rears now and will be ready in ... Nov 18 2019, 04:00 PM
Mikey914
We are making the rears now and will be ready in... Nov 18 2019, 09:11 PM
Chi-town Modern rubber bushing design is completely differe... Nov 18 2019, 10:56 PM
Mikey914 EPDM that was used on the OEM parts has stood up f... Nov 19 2019, 12:40 AM
Superhawk996
The ultimate design would be to go to a roller b... Nov 19 2019, 05:21 AM
Chi-town I completely agree with @Superhawk996 on this on... Nov 19 2019, 10:11 AM
Mikey914
We are trying to restore our 75 bumpers and notic... Nov 19 2019, 10:45 AM![]() ![]() |
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