Running GREAT and then rough…..hhhhmmmm, engine runs rough at one place in the power band |
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Running GREAT and then rough…..hhhhmmmm, engine runs rough at one place in the power band |
ctc911ctc |
Dec 13 2019, 10:16 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 893 Joined: 9-June 18 From: boston Member No.: 22,206 Region Association: North East States |
-Update -
I removed the TPS, calibrated it as per instructions on the Bird. Here are some pictures. I would like to be able to "RING" this out, not sure what I would be looking for. Though we know that one course is to install a new board and then calibrate. There is little else I could find to assure operation. Any experience with asserting these things are good. Some pics Any ideas would be great! -End of Update- I am a bit befuddled as to which way to go so I decided that the 914W team would like to hear about this puzzle. Background '74 2.0, garaged from '84 until 2018, 22K miles Running since June. Repaired or replaced: Entire Fuel System - tank, lines, injectors, pump, pressure reg Adjusted the valves Removed and rang-out the engine harness, Rebuilt the MPS Rebuilt the Plenum and tested it for leaks - none observed New gaskets at the plenum and manifold at the engine Rebuilt Throttle Body, very minor leaks around the actuator (throttle), New circuit card New Plugs, points, cap and inspected the distributor for all of the regular ailments - super tight. Engine idles great, pulls like a monster - sounds like a German symphony HOWEVER Last night I drove it back from the paint shop on 93 heading south from NH to Boston (lots of beeps from newer Porsches (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) ) and found that the car started to buck and the engine runs rough when just a small amount of throttle is applied. More Detail If you are doing 55 and want to maintain that speed, it is necessary to apply a small amount of gas to sustain the speed. This is when the cars starts to exhibit this "miss/run-rough" puzzle. If more throttle is applied the bucking stops, the engine is smooth and all is well. Conversely, while de-accelerating there is no bucking. This problem is NOT velocity-dependent, sustaining at 30/40/50/60 will exhibit the same reaction. WHERE WOULD YOU START TO LOOK IF YOU HAD THIS CHALLENGE? |
ctc911ctc |
Dec 14 2019, 03:21 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 893 Joined: 9-June 18 From: boston Member No.: 22,206 Region Association: North East States |
******UPDATE******
Started the car Disconnected the TPS Drove the car The hesitation was MUCH worse, the bucking was about the same. Disconnecting the TPS made the entire situation worse though the drive was just around the block. As per PBanders: Track Wear: Over time, the wiper track for the accelerator function will wear. Wear will be especially high at moderate to light throttle angles, corresponding to part-load cruising. Click here for a link to a 60X photo of accelerator track wear. While this TPS track is still good, the re-deposition of gold worn from the contact fingers by the wiper can be seen, and eventually will become sufficient to bridge the traces. This wear causes arcing and poor contact, resulting in the car "bucking" at a constant throttle angle. "Bucking" is a fairly common complaint and is almost always due to track wear. Check by disconnecting the harness plug to the throttle switch and driving at a constant throttle angle under part-load. If the bucking is gone, it's due to the switch. As I mentioned earlier, if you go to http://www.914world.com/ and search for user "davesprinkle", he's made a kit to replace the worn circuit board that restores your TPS to like-new condition. I have a new card from 914Rubber in the car and I am pretty certain the card wipers are connecting to the card correctly. I will take a closer look at this tomorrow. I will also retest tomorrow (too much rain today for a highway check) to make certain that the bucking is gone even though the acceleration is very poor. The barely accelerates until I hold the peddle about 1/2 way for a few seconds and then the engine starts to run strong after a prolonged response to the peddle. Any ideas appreciated. Thank you! I am a bit befuddled as to which way to go so I decided that the 914W team would like to hear about this puzzle. Background '74 2.0, garaged from '84 until 2018, 22K miles Running since June. Repaired or replaced: Entire Fuel System - tank, lines, injectors, pump, pressure reg Adjusted the valves Removed and rang-out the engine harness, Rebuilt the MPS Rebuilt the Plenum and tested it for leaks - none observed New gaskets at the plenum and manifold at the engine Rebuilt Throttle Body, very minor leaks around the actuator (throttle), New circuit card New Plugs, points, cap and inspected the distributor for all of the regular ailments - super tight. Engine idles great, pulls like a monster - sounds like a German symphony HOWEVER Last night I drove it back from the paint shop on 93 heading south from NH to Boston (lots of beeps from newer Porsches (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) ) and found that the car started to buck and the engine runs rough when just a small amount of throttle is applied. More Detail If you are doing 55 and want to maintain that speed, it is necessary to apply a small amount of gas to sustain the speed. This is when the cars starts to exhibit this "miss/run-rough" puzzle. If more throttle is applied the bucking stops, the engine is smooth and all is well. Conversely, while de-accelerating there is no bucking. This problem is NOT velocity-dependent, sustaining at 30/40/50/60 will exhibit the same reaction. WHERE WOULD YOU START TO LOOK IF YOU HAD THIS CHALLENGE? |
ctc911ctc |
Dec 15 2019, 05:42 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 893 Joined: 9-June 18 From: boston Member No.: 22,206 Region Association: North East States |
******UPDATE****** Started the car Disconnected the TPS Drove the car The hesitation was MUCH worse, the bucking was about the same. Disconnecting the TPS made the entire situation worse though the drive was just around the block. As per PBanders: Track Wear: Over time, the wiper track for the accelerator function will wear. Wear will be especially high at moderate to light throttle angles, corresponding to part-load cruising. Click here for a link to a 60X photo of accelerator track wear. While this TPS track is still good, the re-deposition of gold worn from the contact fingers by the wiper can be seen, and eventually will become sufficient to bridge the traces. This wear causes arcing and poor contact, resulting in the car "bucking" at a constant throttle angle. "Bucking" is a fairly common complaint and is almost always due to track wear. Check by disconnecting the harness plug to the throttle switch and driving at a constant throttle angle under part-load. If the bucking is gone, it's due to the switch. As I mentioned earlier, if you go to http://www.914world.com/ and search for user "davesprinkle", he's made a kit to replace the worn circuit board that restores your TPS to like-new condition. I have a new card from 914Rubber in the car and I am pretty certain the card wipers are connecting to the card correctly. I will take a closer look at this tomorrow. I will also retest tomorrow (too much rain today for a highway check) to make certain that the bucking is gone even though the acceleration is very poor. The barely accelerates until I hold the peddle about 1/2 way for a few seconds and then the engine starts to run strong after a prolonged response to the peddle. Any ideas appreciated. Thank you! I am a bit befuddled as to which way to go so I decided that the 914W team would like to hear about this puzzle. Background '74 2.0, garaged from '84 until 2018, 22K miles Running since June. Repaired or replaced: Entire Fuel System - tank, lines, injectors, pump, pressure reg Adjusted the valves Removed and rang-out the engine harness, Rebuilt the MPS Rebuilt the Plenum and tested it for leaks - none observed New gaskets at the plenum and manifold at the engine Rebuilt Throttle Body, very minor leaks around the actuator (throttle), New circuit card New Plugs, points, cap and inspected the distributor for all of the regular ailments - super tight. Engine idles great, pulls like a monster - sounds like a German symphony HOWEVER Last night I drove it back from the paint shop on 93 heading south from NH to Boston (lots of beeps from newer Porsches (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) ) and found that the car started to buck and the engine runs rough when just a small amount of throttle is applied. More Detail If you are doing 55 and want to maintain that speed, it is necessary to apply a small amount of gas to sustain the speed. This is when the cars starts to exhibit this "miss/run-rough" puzzle. If more throttle is applied the bucking stops, the engine is smooth and all is well. Conversely, while de-accelerating there is no bucking. This problem is NOT velocity-dependent, sustaining at 30/40/50/60 will exhibit the same reaction. WHERE WOULD YOU START TO LOOK IF YOU HAD THIS CHALLENGE? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon_bump.gif) |
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