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> Is there a "how to.." for crank measurement, and bearing verification?
malcolm2
post Dec 16 2019, 11:07 PM
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I am gonna make a 2 liter from my 1.8. So I have a refreshed 71mm crank that I have been told has been ground to -0.010.

I measured as best as I can with a digital mic and got about 59.66 on the mains and 49.65 on the rod journals.

Where can I find the STD specs and ranges ? were they 60 and 50, respectively?

Since I know nothing about this crank, how can I verify the 71 mm measurement?
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post Dec 17 2019, 06:17 AM
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My understanding is that this crank that came to you came out of my 2.0L engine GA004310. It will need to be used with a set of 2.0L rods. I provided the crank only to another member for cost of shipping. The engine it came ran (video on my thread) but when I tore the engine down I found rust in the sump. See photos in my build thread for condition of this engine GA004310 (page 5 and 6).

The crank was subsequently hot tanked and had a light polish at my local machine shop.

You should measure using a micrometer it is more accurate than a digitial caliper when we are taling about ten thousandths of an inch (0.0001").

This crank came out of my engine at 0.010" undersize on both mains and rods. It was scored. My local machine shop put a very light polish on it that removed another 0.0001" to 0.0002". If I recall, most journals were actually 0.0101 under size. There was some light pitting at the nose of the crank between where the distributor gear sits and between the main bearing but it was not pitted at all where the bearing actually rides (inclusive of end play).

I was going to use it but subsequently got a used standard size crank from KevinW for not much more than about $200 total and my local machine shop was going to charge $90 to take this worn/polished crank down to 0.020" undersize which didn't make sense to me to pay when KevinW helped me out for not much more than that. My preference was to use a standard crank. Nothing wrong with 0.010" - 0.20" undersize, lots of low buck rebuilders would do that but for only $200 to get a standard crank, that is where I wanted to start from.

I recommend that it be trial assembled and measure with Plastigauge to determine what the actual oiling clearnce is. I just looked to see if I had photos of the journals as I measured them. I'm not finding them quickly. I'll look again after work this evening and then I have the rest of the month off for vacation so I'll look again.

The specifications for journal diameters are in the factory manual, Haynes, or the How to rebuild your VW engine book. I'll dig those out later too.
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malcolm2   Is there a "how to.." for crank measurement   Dec 16 2019, 11:07 PM
Superhawk996   @malcolm2 My understanding is that this crank th...   Dec 17 2019, 06:17 AM
malcolm2   YES, It seems that @jtprettyman has passed it on...   Dec 17 2019, 08:46 AM
malcolm2   How about the 71mm measurement? Not that it matte...   Dec 17 2019, 08:51 AM
Superhawk996   How about the 71mm measurement? Not that it matt...   Dec 17 2019, 02:13 PM
Mark Henry   How about the 71mm measurement? Not that it mat...   Dec 17 2019, 11:26 PM
Mark Henry   I only use STD cranks or standard (under) cranks I...   Dec 17 2019, 09:24 AM
malcolm2   I only use STD cranks or standard (under) cranks ...   Dec 17 2019, 09:48 AM
Superhawk996   Also for what it’s worth, I provided this crank ...   Dec 17 2019, 02:34 PM
malcolm2   OK it passed the hammer test. very high pitched t...   Dec 17 2019, 06:30 PM
Superhawk996   With my method of measuring last night, I got a ...   Dec 18 2019, 08:53 AM
malcolm2   With my method of measuring last night, I got a...   Dec 18 2019, 10:03 AM
Superhawk996   Thanks for your input. I certainly hope you don...   Dec 18 2019, 02:58 PM
malcolm2   OK, maybe not the super duper accurate tools but I...   Dec 21 2019, 02:47 PM
Superhawk996   OK, maybe not the super duper accurate tools but ...   Dec 21 2019, 07:36 PM
Mark Henry   Sounds like a lot. If you're right about #4 yo...   Dec 21 2019, 03:24 PM
malcolm2   Your rods should at least have the big ends done....   Jan 20 2020, 08:59 AM
Superhawk996   So question 1: how do you "DO" the rod...   Jan 20 2020, 12:41 PM
malcolm2   Both micrometers were checked prior to the last me...   Dec 23 2019, 10:08 AM
Superhawk996   Both micrometers were checked prior to the last m...   Dec 23 2019, 10:34 AM
malcolm2   3) For hobbyists like myself, Plastigage can ser...   Dec 23 2019, 10:44 AM
malcolm2   UPDATE>>>>> Todd is the Director o...   Jan 14 2020, 08:38 PM
Superhawk996   Rod measurements align a whole lot closer to what ...   Jan 15 2020, 06:00 AM
jtprettyman   @Superhawk996 Yes, these were done with a very n...   Jan 15 2020, 08:58 AM
malcolm2   Rod Balancing, End-to-end. I also wondered how in...   Jan 21 2020, 08:30 AM


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