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| Gatornapper |
Dec 14 2019, 08:40 PM
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Haynes Manual, page 65, Fig. 3.6, referenced from page 64, Pp. 6, #7: "install it so that.........an angle of 12 deg. .......with the small sector facing towards the outside of the car."
On my 914, the small sector is on the left. If I'm reading this correctly, this is ambiguous and does not clarify it "the outside of the car" is the Driver's side or Passenger side....... Can someone clarify this please? Or am I missing something (not the first time...)..... TIA, GN |
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| sixnotfour |
Dec 18 2019, 01:18 PM
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boxer engine so 1 of 2 cyl.s can be at TDC... what you say is correct if everything is correct, your having troubles , so its best to start at square one......
There is a six build where 2 shops could not figure out why it ran so low on HP and acted strange, The engine was tore apart ..but after reading what the symptoms where , and what nobody ever did was check the cam timing. on a six its easy to time one cam 180 out, runs , half power and does some minor weird things,,,Just an example of not starting at square one (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
| Gatornapper |
Dec 18 2019, 02:44 PM
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,285 Joined: 22-September 17 From: Woods west of Richmond, VA Member No.: 21,449 Region Association: South East States
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Thank you.
Totally agree - trying to get to ground zero. Tell me this: how can an engine be running PERFECTLY one day, the next day is missing, backfiring, barely running; then for a week starts immediately and runs perfectly for just under a minute - then quits and will not re-start; then won't start at all - and distributor position has changed - when no one has touched the engine? Same fuel was in tank for 2 weeks until after a week of not starting I "went to ground zero" on fuel system completely purging system, new fuel filters, 2nd one added just before carbs, perfect 3psi fuel pressure - then I conclude problem is ignition. Most ignition is brand new, so I make it all brand new. Still won't start. GN boxer engine so 1 of 2 cyl.s can be at TDC... what you say is correct if everything is correct, your having troubles , so its best to start at square one...... There is a six build where 2 shops could not figure out why it ran so low on HP and acted strange, The engine was tore apart ..but after reading what the symptoms where , and what nobody ever did was check the cam timing. on a six its easy to time one cam 180 out, runs , half power and does some minor weird things,,,Just an example of not starting at square one (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
| Superhawk996 |
Dec 19 2019, 11:04 AM
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914 Guru ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 7,580 Joined: 25-August 18 From: Woods of N. Idaho Member No.: 22,428 Region Association: Galt's Gulch
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Thank you. Totally agree - trying to get to ground zero. Tell me this: how can an engine be running PERFECTLY one day, the next day is missing, backfiring, barely running; then for a week starts immediately and runs perfectly for just under a minute - then quits and will not re-start; then won't start at all - and distributor position has changed - when no one has touched the engine? GN I'm going to stick my neck out with a crazy theory. Distributor was never properly engaged to the drive. Thermal expansion may have had it "hooked" properly and then when temperature changed, it disconnnected and "changed" its position despite no one touching it. Way out there, but, if it actually did move out of time, with no one touching it, either the pinch bolt was loose, or the distributor drive was never properly engaged to the gear driven piece below it. Also check the bottom of the distributior "cog", tang, drive, or whatever you want to call it. Make sure that is pinned to the rotor shaft. I don't have one in front of me but I think there is a roll pin or something in there to hold that "cog" to the distributor shaft. DO NOT assume the gear driven piece down in the case below the distributor is set correctly. That installs 1st before the distributor. That gear driven directly off the crank is what determines the timing relationship. If the gear is in wrong, you'll never get the distributor rotor itself into the right position. |
Gatornapper Distributor Shaft Alignment Dec 14 2019, 08:40 PM
Garland Check out this post.
914 post link
Replying to ... Dec 15 2019, 12:18 AM
Gatornapper Thank you.
So, how did mine get about 180 degrees... Dec 15 2019, 07:02 AM
Gatornapper Thanks Garland.....
Perhaps I'm not on TDC, n... Dec 15 2019, 07:15 AM
Superhawk996
Thanks Garland.....
Perhaps I'm not on TDC, ... Dec 15 2019, 10:15 AM
Gatornapper SuperHawk -et al -
"Easiest way is to pull ... Dec 18 2019, 01:05 PM
Gatornapper Ok, #1 is at TDC, and this is the position of the ... Dec 15 2019, 12:37 PM
Superhawk996
This is also with the points set by static timi... Dec 15 2019, 01:06 PM
Superhawk996
This is also with the points set by static tim... Dec 15 2019, 01:41 PM
Gatornapper SH -
MY BAD! My brain was not plugged in yes... Dec 15 2019, 07:27 PM
sixnotfour non bosch rotor make sure it actually is push into... Dec 15 2019, 12:43 PM
Gatornapper
non bosch rotor make sure it actually is push int... Dec 15 2019, 12:47 PM
Garland Are you sure you’re getting the distributor hous... Dec 15 2019, 01:04 PM
rjames Maybe I’m missing something... Is the rotor is p... Dec 15 2019, 02:25 PM
Gatornapper Thanks!
I have previously marked the followin... Dec 15 2019, 07:34 PM
cary You got this. When you are CERTAIN you are at TDC ... Dec 16 2019, 12:47 AM
914_teener
You got this. When you are CERTAIN you are at TDC... Dec 16 2019, 10:37 AM
Gatornapper Like some help checking my reasoning here:
Dizzy ... Dec 16 2019, 08:58 PM
injunmort in your picture, you are not timed on #1. that is ... Dec 17 2019, 06:09 PM
Gatornapper That was old pic, I realized it was incorrect. It... Dec 18 2019, 10:02 AM
Gatornapper Mort -
In my rotor pic, that is exactly where #1 ... Dec 26 2019, 07:59 AM
rhodyguy If the engine is at TDC on #1, and the dist drive ... Dec 17 2019, 06:51 PM
Gatornapper My bad, as I said. I had put dizzy in when engine... Dec 18 2019, 10:04 AM
Gatornapper Question:
Is this not the correct position for th... Dec 18 2019, 02:47 PM
theer
Question:
Is this not the correct position for t... Dec 18 2019, 04:40 PM
sixnotfour rotate your distributor to line up with rotor,,, y... Dec 18 2019, 04:30 PM
Gatornapper Did that some time ago.
Engine is firing #1 when ... Dec 18 2019, 07:47 PM
rhodyguy is that a picture of the distributor in your car? Dec 18 2019, 08:18 PM
theer Sorry in advance if I’m missing something or if ... Dec 18 2019, 08:25 PM
rhodyguy The one pictured that has the circles is for a Dje... Dec 18 2019, 09:50 PM
Gatornapper Post 6 is mine - BEFORE I got the body rotated pro... Dec 19 2019, 08:58 AM
theer
No one has yet answered my question of the positi... Dec 19 2019, 02:25 PM
Gatornapper
The answer is NO. The rotor in the 009 points ... Mar 3 2020, 06:24 AM
injunmort this last pic of rotor has it pointed at #2. that ... Dec 19 2019, 09:13 AM
Gatornapper Dear friend Mort -
I totally understand what you ... Dec 19 2019, 07:06 PM
injunmort I don't know what you guys mean by different c... Dec 19 2019, 05:13 PM
injunmort if I am understanding you correctly, you say rotor... Dec 19 2019, 07:26 PM
Gatornapper Mort -
Thank you.
"if I am understanding ... Dec 19 2019, 07:39 PM
Gatornapper PS: I have verified with my timing light that #1 ... Dec 19 2019, 07:26 PM
injunmort cant tell what position that is without looking at... Dec 19 2019, 07:59 PM
Gatornapper In the Haynes manual on p. 65, Figure 3.6, there i... Dec 19 2019, 08:09 PM
injunmort I think you are missing somethings. that drive and... Dec 19 2019, 08:52 PM
Gatornapper Again, bro - I totally get that. The dizzy drives... Dec 19 2019, 09:23 PM
injunmort many years ago I was restoring an early 1930's... Dec 19 2019, 09:10 PM
injunmort have no idea with out seeing orientation of rotor.... Dec 19 2019, 09:41 PM
Gatornapper Mort -
See my post 6 and the pic in it. In this ... Dec 20 2019, 09:26 AM
Gatornapper I understand totally that the timing is set wherev... Dec 25 2019, 08:26 AM
porschetub
I understand totally that the timing is set where... Dec 25 2019, 09:17 PM
sixnotfour
I understand totally that the timing is set wher... Dec 25 2019, 10:29 PM
Gatornapper THANK YOU AS WELL! Totally makes sense!
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