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| Gatornapper |
Dec 14 2019, 08:40 PM
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,285 Joined: 22-September 17 From: Woods west of Richmond, VA Member No.: 21,449 Region Association: South East States
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Haynes Manual, page 65, Fig. 3.6, referenced from page 64, Pp. 6, #7: "install it so that.........an angle of 12 deg. .......with the small sector facing towards the outside of the car."
On my 914, the small sector is on the left. If I'm reading this correctly, this is ambiguous and does not clarify it "the outside of the car" is the Driver's side or Passenger side....... Can someone clarify this please? Or am I missing something (not the first time...)..... TIA, GN |
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| rhodyguy |
Dec 18 2019, 09:50 PM
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Chimp Sanctuary NW. Check it out. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 22,252 Joined: 2-March 03 From: Orion's Bell. The BELL! Member No.: 378 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
The one pictured that has the circles is for a Djet system. A Ljet dist has no trigger point wiring provision. You want a part number ending in AB. I'm confused.
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| Gatornapper |
Dec 19 2019, 08:58 AM
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Post 6 is mine - BEFORE I got the body rotated properly - BUT the position of the rotor did not change, as that is determined by the position of distributor driveshaft.
The pic on post 25 I got off this forum as I wanted a pic not of the distributor but of the rotor position at TDC. Yes, the distributor is different, but I am not concerned with that. My dizzy is a 178 009 that apparently the Porsche dealer put int when they installed the Webers and many say is not good for this engine. I am soon replacing it with a nice 1.8 dizzy I just got off eBay that has vacuum advance. It is an 0 231 181 009/022 905 205 AA. No one has yet answered my question of the position of the rotor at TDC - it must be the same on all 914 - 4's as I see it, and I believe it, when facing the front of the car from the rear, should point to about 11 o'clock, and that's where the cap tower to Plug #1 must also be at TDC. That's where it is in the pic I posted on post #25 and the reason I posted that pic. I believe that is where my #1 cap tower was located before I started having engine problems. But now, at TDC, the rotor is pointed to about 1 o'clock. HOW DID IT CHANGE? Could the gear on the bottom of the dizzy shaft slip? I cannot see how it could. And is not 11 o'clock (from the rear) the position of all rotors and the #1 cap tower on all 914's? TIA, GN The one pictured that has the circles is for a Djet system. A Ljet dist has no trigger point wiring provision. You want a part number ending in AB. I'm confused. |
| theer |
Dec 19 2019, 02:25 PM
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No one has yet answered my question of the position of the rotor at TDC - it must be the same on all 914 - 4's as I see it, and I believe it, when facing the front of the car from the rear, should point to about 11 o'clock, and that's where the cap tower to Plug #1 must also be at TDC. That's where it is in the pic I posted on post #25 and the reason I posted that pic. I believe that is where my #1 cap tower was located before I started having engine problems. But now, at TDC, the rotor is pointed to about 1 o'clock. HOW DID IT CHANGE? Could the gear on the bottom of the dizzy shaft slip? I cannot see how it could. And is not 11 o'clock (from the rear) the position of all rotors and the #1 cap tower on all 914's? The answer is NO. The rotor in the 009 points to different "clock" position than the rotor in a stock dist. It's still the #1 cylinder, though, so all that matters is that you have the wires matched up to the rotor's position underneath. Hope that helps. |
| Gatornapper |
Mar 3 2020, 06:24 AM
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The answer is NO. The rotor in the 009 points to different "clock" position than the rotor in a stock dist. [i] It's still the #1 cylinder, though, so all that matters is that you have the wires matched up to the rotor's position underneath. Hope that helps. Thank you Tom for noting this! I put in the 0 231 181 009 dizzy (for 1.8 engine with both vacuum & centrifugal advance) with a Pertronix 1847V Ignitor and the engine ran perfectly! Yes, TDC is now at the 11 o'clock position now (as is mark on rim of dizzy). HOWEVER, the ignitor module died after 10 minutes of driving. Yes, it was wired correctly (verified by Pertronix) and no it did not burn up. Using MDS Blaster II coil w/.8 ohm resistor ahead of + terminal on coil as required. No - voltage does not exceed 14v as alternator is only producing 12.8 +/-. I will replace it this week. Returning the ignitor to Pertronix to see if they will cover it on warranty, but main question is: what fried the module? There is continuity to ground on the black wire all the time, circuit does not open on dizzy rotation. Pertronix has no idea, and neither do I. But that is my first and main question. Right now I'm afraid if I put in a new ignitor, it will also go bad in 10 minutes - or so. Pertronix was clueless - so I'll be real surprised if anyone here has any idea. They said their ignitors almost never fail. GN |
Gatornapper Distributor Shaft Alignment Dec 14 2019, 08:40 PM
Garland Check out this post.
914 post link
Replying to ... Dec 15 2019, 12:18 AM
Gatornapper Thank you.
So, how did mine get about 180 degrees... Dec 15 2019, 07:02 AM
Gatornapper Thanks Garland.....
Perhaps I'm not on TDC, n... Dec 15 2019, 07:15 AM
Superhawk996
Thanks Garland.....
Perhaps I'm not on TDC, ... Dec 15 2019, 10:15 AM
Gatornapper SuperHawk -et al -
"Easiest way is to pull ... Dec 18 2019, 01:05 PM
Gatornapper Ok, #1 is at TDC, and this is the position of the ... Dec 15 2019, 12:37 PM
Superhawk996
This is also with the points set by static timi... Dec 15 2019, 01:06 PM
Superhawk996
This is also with the points set by static tim... Dec 15 2019, 01:41 PM
Gatornapper SH -
MY BAD! My brain was not plugged in yes... Dec 15 2019, 07:27 PM
sixnotfour non bosch rotor make sure it actually is push into... Dec 15 2019, 12:43 PM
Gatornapper
non bosch rotor make sure it actually is push int... Dec 15 2019, 12:47 PM
Garland Are you sure you’re getting the distributor hous... Dec 15 2019, 01:04 PM
rjames Maybe I’m missing something... Is the rotor is p... Dec 15 2019, 02:25 PM
Gatornapper Thanks!
I have previously marked the followin... Dec 15 2019, 07:34 PM
cary You got this. When you are CERTAIN you are at TDC ... Dec 16 2019, 12:47 AM
914_teener
You got this. When you are CERTAIN you are at TDC... Dec 16 2019, 10:37 AM
Gatornapper Like some help checking my reasoning here:
Dizzy ... Dec 16 2019, 08:58 PM
injunmort in your picture, you are not timed on #1. that is ... Dec 17 2019, 06:09 PM
Gatornapper That was old pic, I realized it was incorrect. It... Dec 18 2019, 10:02 AM
Gatornapper Mort -
In my rotor pic, that is exactly where #1 ... Dec 26 2019, 07:59 AM
rhodyguy If the engine is at TDC on #1, and the dist drive ... Dec 17 2019, 06:51 PM
Gatornapper My bad, as I said. I had put dizzy in when engine... Dec 18 2019, 10:04 AM
sixnotfour boxer engine so 1 of 2 cyl.s can be at TDC... what... Dec 18 2019, 01:18 PM
Gatornapper Thank you.
Totally agree - trying to get to groun... Dec 18 2019, 02:44 PM
Superhawk996
Thank you.
Totally agree - trying to get to grou... Dec 19 2019, 11:04 AM
Gatornapper Question:
Is this not the correct position for th... Dec 18 2019, 02:47 PM
theer
Question:
Is this not the correct position for t... Dec 18 2019, 04:40 PM
sixnotfour rotate your distributor to line up with rotor,,, y... Dec 18 2019, 04:30 PM
Gatornapper Did that some time ago.
Engine is firing #1 when ... Dec 18 2019, 07:47 PM
rhodyguy is that a picture of the distributor in your car? Dec 18 2019, 08:18 PM
theer Sorry in advance if I’m missing something or if ... Dec 18 2019, 08:25 PM
injunmort this last pic of rotor has it pointed at #2. that ... Dec 19 2019, 09:13 AM
Gatornapper Dear friend Mort -
I totally understand what you ... Dec 19 2019, 07:06 PM
injunmort I don't know what you guys mean by different c... Dec 19 2019, 05:13 PM
injunmort if I am understanding you correctly, you say rotor... Dec 19 2019, 07:26 PM
Gatornapper Mort -
Thank you.
"if I am understanding ... Dec 19 2019, 07:39 PM
Gatornapper PS: I have verified with my timing light that #1 ... Dec 19 2019, 07:26 PM
injunmort cant tell what position that is without looking at... Dec 19 2019, 07:59 PM
Gatornapper In the Haynes manual on p. 65, Figure 3.6, there i... Dec 19 2019, 08:09 PM
injunmort I think you are missing somethings. that drive and... Dec 19 2019, 08:52 PM
Gatornapper Again, bro - I totally get that. The dizzy drives... Dec 19 2019, 09:23 PM
injunmort many years ago I was restoring an early 1930's... Dec 19 2019, 09:10 PM
injunmort have no idea with out seeing orientation of rotor.... Dec 19 2019, 09:41 PM
Gatornapper Mort -
See my post 6 and the pic in it. In this ... Dec 20 2019, 09:26 AM
Gatornapper I understand totally that the timing is set wherev... Dec 25 2019, 08:26 AM
porschetub
I understand totally that the timing is set where... Dec 25 2019, 09:17 PM
sixnotfour
I understand totally that the timing is set wher... Dec 25 2019, 10:29 PM
Gatornapper THANK YOU AS WELL! Totally makes sense!
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