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> D-Jet Fuel Pressure Regulator, How high should it go?
GregAmy
post Mar 2 2020, 08:38 AM
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What should be the maximum capability of the stock D-Jet pressure regulator? Mine only goes to 36.

If that's normal, is there another similar-format regulator that can go up to around 45psi?

Background: Microsquirt project. Was hoping to use the stock regulator, but now need something that I can easily mount in the same location, if possible. Injectors I'm using are rated at 43.5psi.

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post Mar 3 2020, 03:46 PM
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Higher pressure provides better fuel atomization, one reason newer cars dont run at 29psi.


Not understanding what the concern with running higher pressure/having a "safety" margin is about. Those are completely custom injections so nothing d-jet applies here (except for maybe the pump and pressure regulator if you retain those). Injector flow rates can potentially get sketchy when run above 80% duty cycle, that is where I would have concern with a safety margin and running lower pressure means higher duty cycle needed to deliver the same amount of fuel, so in that respect you are potentially safer running the HIGHER pressure depending on your fuel needs.

If there are concerns about the injectors though I would say contact FiveOMotorsports about them.

I would run them at the pressure with the known flow rating.

As for the stock pressure regulator, not sure what its maximum pressure spec is but I have seen a d-jet car sitting at ~50psi at the rail before (DAPO, dont ask), so not sure if that is something attainable with most stock regulators and pumps but i have seen it.
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QUOTE(JamesM @ Mar 3 2020, 01:46 PM) *

Higher pressure provides better fuel atomization, one reason newer cars dont run at 29psi.


Not understanding what the concern with running higher pressure/having a "safety" margin is about. Those are completely custom injections so nothing d-jet applies here (except for maybe the pump and pressure regulator if you retain those). Injector flow rates can potentially get sketchy when run above 80% duty cycle, that is where I would have concern with a safety margin and running lower pressure means higher duty cycle needed to deliver the same amount of fuel, so in that respect you are potentially safer running the HIGHER pressure depending on your fuel needs.

If there are concerns about the injectors though I would say contact FiveOMotorsports about them.

I would run them at the pressure with the known flow rating.

As for the stock pressure regulator, not sure what its maximum pressure spec is but I have seen a d-jet car sitting at ~50psi at the rail before (DAPO, dont ask), so not sure if that is something attainable with most stock regulators and pumps but i have seen it.



I think that is what Foley is saying. The OP didn't say if he was going to retain the stock pump and I'd assumed he was going to use the linked high impedance injector which is rated at 280 cc/ min at 300Kpa. The OP didn't mention displacement.


I know some folds have done MS systems so maybe they'd chime in.
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QUOTE(914_teener @ Mar 3 2020, 06:40 PM) *
The OP didn't say if he was going to retain the stock pump

It's a Bosch 2-port replacement. Probably Bosch 69133?

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I'd assumed he was going to use the linked high impedance injector...

A correct ASSumption.

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The OP didn't mention displacement.

Dead stock 1974 2L engine, as far as I know. Zero knowledge of its history, though evidence of having been out before. Leaks a little bit at the case bolts.

Whole lotta dick-swinging around here and yet...no one answered the OP's original question.


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GregAmy   D-Jet Fuel Pressure Regulator   Mar 2 2020, 08:38 AM
914Sixer   Stock set to run 28-30. In vapor lock areas up to...   Mar 2 2020, 09:31 AM
JeffBowlsby   43.5 PSI is the conversion from 300kPA which is th...   Mar 2 2020, 10:06 AM
GregAmy   You sure your injectors are rated that high for in...   Mar 2 2020, 10:41 AM
nordfisch   - You Posted: Injector Table Hi Jeff, the table...   Mar 2 2020, 02:33 PM
JeffBowlsby   As I thought...thats maximum flow, without a safet...   Mar 2 2020, 11:45 AM
GregAmy   As I thought...thats maximum flow, without a safe...   Mar 2 2020, 11:49 AM
914_teener   As I thought...thats maximum flow, without a saf...   Mar 2 2020, 12:58 PM
GregAmy   I'm confused. Flow and pressure are related h...   Mar 2 2020, 01:19 PM
914_teener   I'm confused. Flow and pressure are related ...   Mar 2 2020, 02:29 PM
ChrisFoley   no problem running these at 36psi and putting in...   Mar 2 2020, 05:56 PM
GregAmy   Why even go up to 36? Calculate the flow at 30psi...   Mar 2 2020, 06:54 PM
JamesM   Was poking around a bit and and found these inject...   Mar 3 2020, 11:50 PM
Bleyseng   The Ljet has a variable fuel pressure regulator to...   Mar 2 2020, 12:16 PM
JeffBowlsby   Hi Norbert, thank you for the Bosch list its very ...   Mar 2 2020, 05:48 PM
nordfisch   ... The Weiss chart was a reference for me back t...   Mar 3 2020, 02:00 PM
JamesM   Higher pressure provides better fuel atomization, ...   Mar 3 2020, 03:46 PM
914_teener   Higher pressure provides better fuel atomization,...   Mar 3 2020, 05:40 PM
JamesM   I know some folds have done MS systems so maybe t...   Mar 3 2020, 07:03 PM
914_teener   I know some folds have done MS systems so maybe ...   Mar 3 2020, 08:17 PM
GregAmy   The OP didn't say if he was going to retain th...   Mar 3 2020, 08:36 PM
914_teener   The OP didn't say if he was going to retain t...   Mar 3 2020, 08:41 PM
JamesM   Whole lotta dick-swinging around here and yet...n...   Mar 3 2020, 11:09 PM
JeffBowlsby   The concern about constant operation at maximum pr...   Mar 3 2020, 04:30 PM
JamesM   The concern about constant operation at maximum p...   Mar 3 2020, 07:52 PM
JamesM   Just remembered I still have the paperwork for min...   Mar 4 2020, 12:07 AM
JamesM   What should be the maximum capability of the stoc...   Mar 4 2020, 01:39 AM
JamesM   Hey, looky what I found.... https://www.injector...   Mar 4 2020, 02:15 AM
JamesM   Found another picture of the MSD 2222 where you ca...   Mar 4 2020, 02:48 AM
GregAmy   Found another picture of the MSD 2222 where you c...   Mar 5 2020, 10:08 AM
JamesM   Found another picture of the MSD 2222 where you ...   Mar 5 2020, 06:30 PM
GregAmy   Still has me curious why you are only seeing ~35. ...   Mar 5 2020, 07:27 PM
GregAmy   Since we're going deeper into the design... A...   Mar 4 2020, 06:19 AM
JamesM   Since we're going deeper into the design... ...   Mar 5 2020, 12:29 AM
GregAmy   Eric, I'm actually starting to "write all...   Mar 5 2020, 06:18 AM
barefoot   Many years ago I had a project to design automotiv...   Mar 4 2020, 06:19 AM
Montreal914   Though amazon is great and showed me this much c...   Mar 5 2020, 12:05 AM
JamesM   [quote name='JamesM' post='2791279' date='Mar 3 2...   Mar 5 2020, 09:38 AM
JeffBowlsby   Check this. "35 gal/hr" Seems a bit ...   Mar 5 2020, 08:14 AM
JamesM   Check this. "35 gal/hr" Seems a bit...   Mar 5 2020, 09:51 AM
JeffBowlsby   Check this. "35 gal/hr" Seems a bit...   Mar 5 2020, 11:03 AM
GregAmy   It's not the pump. I went out there, jumped th...   Mar 5 2020, 07:46 PM
ChrisFoley   I have a few FPRs here. You're welcome to try ...   Mar 6 2020, 06:38 AM
GregAmy   Thank you sir!We're already overdue for a ...   Mar 6 2020, 07:58 AM
JamesM   Thank you sir!We're already overdue for a...   Mar 7 2020, 02:48 AM
Montreal914   Just catching up on the thread this morning. Greg...   Mar 7 2020, 11:03 AM
GregAmy   Quick update... per Summit Racing, MSD has discont...   Mar 9 2020, 11:40 AM
JamesM   Didn't have time to tear into one this weekend...   Mar 9 2020, 11:05 PM
JamesM   Just did a bit more searching... this is an intere...   Mar 10 2020, 12:09 AM
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JamesM   This is interesting. In the latest bosch catalog ...   Mar 10 2020, 01:22 AM
JamesM   https://shopbhp.com/products/kit-car-fuel-p...ant=...   Mar 10 2020, 01:49 AM
GregAmy   May be more bad news for d-jet Well crap. I have ...   Mar 10 2020, 06:45 AM
JamesM   May be more bad news for d-jet Well crap. I have...   Mar 10 2020, 09:07 AM
ChrisFoley   Bosch Fuel Pressure Regulator at Pelican   Mar 9 2020, 02:26 PM
GregAmy   And...they're out of stock. Refers me to ...   Mar 9 2020, 04:21 PM
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GregAmy   Here's a 3-bar one. eBay ad claims (I think) i...   Mar 10 2020, 07:31 AM
GregAmy   Am I correct in inferring his non-regulator one is...   Mar 10 2020, 09:24 AM
JamesM   Am I correct in inferring his non-regulator one i...   Mar 10 2020, 01:13 PM
GregAmy   Mario's response, paraphrased: This: Univers...   Mar 10 2020, 07:14 PM
ChrisFoley   That's probably what Mario was thinking you wo...   Mar 10 2020, 12:20 PM
GregAmy   His stuff looks nice, but I sent an email him to f...   Mar 10 2020, 12:59 PM
Montreal914   Seems like the way to go!   Mar 10 2020, 09:50 PM
GregAmy   Mario 3-bar FPR procured and installed. Shows 41.5...   Mar 13 2020, 07:52 PM
ChrisFoley   Asking for a friend. :miles: :shades2:   Mar 14 2020, 05:49 AM


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