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| GregAmy |
Mar 2 2020, 08:38 AM
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What should be the maximum capability of the stock D-Jet pressure regulator? Mine only goes to 36.
If that's normal, is there another similar-format regulator that can go up to around 45psi? Background: Microsquirt project. Was hoping to use the stock regulator, but now need something that I can easily mount in the same location, if possible. Injectors I'm using are rated at 43.5psi. Discuss! |
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| barefoot |
Mar 4 2020, 06:19 AM
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,488 Joined: 19-March 13 From: Charleston SC Member No.: 15,673 Region Association: South East States
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Many years ago I had a project to design automotive fuel injectors working with then the Bendix company who did the initial patents on the D jet type system before Bosch got into the game.
Solenoid operated injectors take about 1.7 milliseconds to open before any fuel is delivered and an engine operating at 6000 RPM goes one full revolution in 10 milliseconds. the 10 ms is typically the 100% duty cycle for these injectiors. Looking at the entire flow range of this system or "turn down ratio" you have about 2 to 10 ms flow range for the injector itself plus the trigger points range from idle speed of say 800 RPM to 6000 RPM max yields 8 to one for the injector and 7.5 to one for triggering interval for a total of 60 to 1 flow ratio for the system, that's pretty good. Modern direct injection engines cannot use anything like 10 ms time as all injection has to occur in the compression cycle. new piezo injectors do not have any initial lag, so are a must for direct injection As previously mentioned, flow rate is not linear with pressure, but varies with the square root of pressure. So if you've got to larger bore cylinders and want to match with more fuel flow, that can be done by adjusting pressure: For a 10% larger displacement, in theory you want 10% more fuel flow. to achieve this you need 1.1 squared pressure increase ar 1.21 pressure increase. So if standard pressure is 28, you'll need 33.9 psi. Hopefully the pressure regulator can be adjusted by this much. Barefoot |
GregAmy D-Jet Fuel Pressure Regulator Mar 2 2020, 08:38 AM
914Sixer Stock set to run 28-30. In vapor lock areas up to... Mar 2 2020, 09:31 AM
JeffBowlsby 43.5 PSI is the conversion from 300kPA which is th... Mar 2 2020, 10:06 AM
GregAmy You sure your injectors are rated that high for in... Mar 2 2020, 10:41 AM
nordfisch
- You Posted: Injector Table
Hi Jeff,
the table... Mar 2 2020, 02:33 PM
JeffBowlsby As I thought...thats maximum flow, without a safet... Mar 2 2020, 11:45 AM
GregAmy
As I thought...thats maximum flow, without a safe... Mar 2 2020, 11:49 AM

914_teener
As I thought...thats maximum flow, without a saf... Mar 2 2020, 12:58 PM

GregAmy I'm confused. Flow and pressure are related h... Mar 2 2020, 01:19 PM

914_teener
I'm confused. Flow and pressure are related ... Mar 2 2020, 02:29 PM

ChrisFoley
no problem running these at 36psi and putting in... Mar 2 2020, 05:56 PM

GregAmy
Why even go up to 36? Calculate the flow at 30psi... Mar 2 2020, 06:54 PM
JamesM Was poking around a bit and and found these inject... Mar 3 2020, 11:50 PM
Bleyseng The Ljet has a variable fuel pressure regulator to... Mar 2 2020, 12:16 PM
JeffBowlsby Hi Norbert, thank you for the Bosch list its very ... Mar 2 2020, 05:48 PM
nordfisch
... The Weiss chart was a reference for me back t... Mar 3 2020, 02:00 PM
JamesM Higher pressure provides better fuel atomization, ... Mar 3 2020, 03:46 PM
914_teener
Higher pressure provides better fuel atomization,... Mar 3 2020, 05:40 PM
JamesM
I know some folds have done MS systems so maybe t... Mar 3 2020, 07:03 PM

914_teener
I know some folds have done MS systems so maybe ... Mar 3 2020, 08:17 PM
GregAmy The OP didn't say if he was going to retain th... Mar 3 2020, 08:36 PM
914_teener
The OP didn't say if he was going to retain t... Mar 3 2020, 08:41 PM
JamesM
Whole lotta dick-swinging around here and yet...n... Mar 3 2020, 11:09 PM
JeffBowlsby The concern about constant operation at maximum pr... Mar 3 2020, 04:30 PM
JamesM
The concern about constant operation at maximum p... Mar 3 2020, 07:52 PM
JamesM Just remembered I still have the paperwork for min... Mar 4 2020, 12:07 AM
JamesM
What should be the maximum capability of the stoc... Mar 4 2020, 01:39 AM
JamesM Hey, looky what I found....
https://www.injector... Mar 4 2020, 02:15 AM
JamesM Found another picture of the MSD 2222 where you ca... Mar 4 2020, 02:48 AM
GregAmy
Found another picture of the MSD 2222 where you c... Mar 5 2020, 10:08 AM
JamesM
Found another picture of the MSD 2222 where you ... Mar 5 2020, 06:30 PM
GregAmy Still has me curious why you are only seeing ~35.
... Mar 5 2020, 07:27 PM
GregAmy Since we're going deeper into the design...
A... Mar 4 2020, 06:19 AM
JamesM
Since we're going deeper into the design...
... Mar 5 2020, 12:29 AM
GregAmy Eric, I'm actually starting to "write all... Mar 5 2020, 06:18 AM
Montreal914
Though amazon is great and showed me this much c... Mar 5 2020, 12:05 AM
JamesM
[quote name='JamesM' post='2791279' date='Mar 3 2... Mar 5 2020, 09:38 AM
JeffBowlsby Check this.
"35 gal/hr"
Seems a bit ... Mar 5 2020, 08:14 AM
JamesM
Check this.
"35 gal/hr"
Seems a bit... Mar 5 2020, 09:51 AM
JeffBowlsby
Check this.
"35 gal/hr"
Seems a bit... Mar 5 2020, 11:03 AM
GregAmy It's not the pump. I went out there, jumped th... Mar 5 2020, 07:46 PM
ChrisFoley I have a few FPRs here. You're welcome to try ... Mar 6 2020, 06:38 AM
GregAmy Thank you sir!We're already overdue for a ... Mar 6 2020, 07:58 AM
JamesM
Thank you sir!We're already overdue for a... Mar 7 2020, 02:48 AM
Montreal914 Just catching up on the thread this morning.
Greg... Mar 7 2020, 11:03 AM
GregAmy Quick update... per Summit Racing, MSD has discont... Mar 9 2020, 11:40 AM
JamesM Didn't have time to tear into one this weekend... Mar 9 2020, 11:05 PM
JamesM Just did a bit more searching... this is an intere... Mar 10 2020, 12:09 AM
JamesM Knowing that 914 l-jet regulators are a direct swa... Mar 10 2020, 12:27 AM
JamesM This is interesting. In the latest bosch catalog ... Mar 10 2020, 01:22 AM
JamesM https://shopbhp.com/products/kit-car-fuel-p...ant=... Mar 10 2020, 01:49 AM
GregAmy May be more bad news for d-jet
Well crap.
I have ... Mar 10 2020, 06:45 AM
JamesM
May be more bad news for d-jet
Well crap.
I have... Mar 10 2020, 09:07 AM
ChrisFoley Bosch Fuel Pressure Regulator at Pelican Mar 9 2020, 02:26 PM
GregAmy And...they're out of stock. Refers me to ... Mar 9 2020, 04:21 PM
ChrisFoley You might want to start soaking the three used one... Mar 9 2020, 06:14 PM
GregAmy Here's a 3-bar one. eBay ad claims (I think) i... Mar 10 2020, 07:31 AM
GregAmy Am I correct in inferring his non-regulator one is... Mar 10 2020, 09:24 AM
JamesM
Am I correct in inferring his non-regulator one i... Mar 10 2020, 01:13 PM
GregAmy Mario's response, paraphrased:
This:
Univers... Mar 10 2020, 07:14 PM
ChrisFoley That's probably what Mario was thinking you wo... Mar 10 2020, 12:20 PM
GregAmy His stuff looks nice, but I sent an email him to f... Mar 10 2020, 12:59 PM
Montreal914 Seems like the way to go! Mar 10 2020, 09:50 PM
GregAmy Mario 3-bar FPR procured and installed. Shows 41.5... Mar 13 2020, 07:52 PM
ChrisFoley
Asking for a friend. :miles:
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