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> Pressure plate wear., Causes.
914Toy
post Mar 19 2020, 08:21 AM
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To the brain trust: re slight shudder when engaging the clutch in first gear to begin moving forward.

The clutch assembly is a Sachs brand 228 mm and was installed new about two years ago onto a new flywheel on my 2.7 911 engine, and now has some 5,000 street miles on it. Also new was the throw out bearing (Sachs) and nylon bush under the clutch fork.

I expected to see some clutch disk "burn" deposit on the fly wheel and/or pressure plate. To my surprise, while there were some small deposits on the flywheel and pressure plate, these parts and the clutch disk appear to be in near new condition - little measurable or obvious wear. However, the tips of the pressure plate "fingers (see pic) were worn down where the throw out bearing (TOB) contacts them. This suggests the TOB is slipping on the finger tips causing friction and wear. The TOB feels solid and spins freely like new.

I don't believe this is normal wear. Any thoughts/advice?

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post Mar 19 2020, 09:00 AM
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I did a little digging.

https://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=79304

Some suggest abnormal wear on fingers if the PP wasn't torqued evenly.

By any chance are you using ARP flywheel bolts and not using the 4mil spacing washer? ARP states not using any washers but I found out that you did indeed need it as the bolts will bottom out on the crank and the flywheel will be a little floppy. BTW there is a 3 mil and a 4 mil washer, from what I read you need the 4mm. That is assuming you are using a 901 flywheel, if using a 915 flywheel i think the 3mm is appropriate.

I did not use the spacer and read about it last week. I get to tear it apart and add it in, was able to find one on fleabay for $30
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post Mar 19 2020, 11:31 AM
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QUOTE(TravisNeff @ Mar 19 2020, 08:00 AM) *

I did a little digging.

https://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=79304

Some suggest abnormal wear on fingers if the PP wasn't torqued evenly.

By any chance are you using ARP flywheel bolts and not using the 4mil spacing washer? ARP states not using any washers but I found out that you did indeed need it as the bolts will bottom out on the crank and the flywheel will be a little floppy. BTW there is a 3 mil and a 4 mil washer, from what I read you need the 4mm. That is assuming you are using a 901 flywheel, if using a 915 flywheel i think the 3mm is appropriate.

I did not use the spacer and read about it last week. I get to tear it apart and add it in, was able to find one on fleabay for $30


Pic below shows the cleaned up fly wheel after using some fine emery cloth to rub off the small "hot spot" deposits on the fly wheel - now very close to new condition. The 6 flywheel bolts have: NBUS-XZN 140 stamped on them, and they have in-the-hole length of 26mm versus the total hole depth (flywheel plus crank) of 32mm, so they are not "bottoming out". To repeat this is a 2.7 911engine.


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914Toy   Pressure plate wear.   Mar 19 2020, 08:21 AM
TravisNeff   I can't help with the reason for wear. I would...   Mar 19 2020, 08:32 AM
914Toy   I can't help with the reason for wear. I woul...   Mar 19 2020, 08:58 AM
TravisNeff   I did a little digging. https://forums.aussievee...   Mar 19 2020, 09:00 AM
914Toy   I did a little digging. https://forums.aussieve...   Mar 19 2020, 11:31 AM
SirAndy   This is the part that the throwout bearing is ridi...   Mar 19 2020, 10:09 AM
Root_Werks   This is the part that the throwout bearing is rid...   Mar 19 2020, 11:10 AM
dr914@autoatlanta.com   clutch cable too tight To the brain trust: re s...   Mar 19 2020, 12:22 PM
TravisNeff   OK, that is what I read elsewhere about bottoming ...   Mar 19 2020, 01:00 PM
914Toy   OK, that is what I read elsewhere about bottoming...   Mar 19 2020, 03:17 PM
porschetub   OK, that is what I read elsewhere about bottomin...   Mar 19 2020, 11:10 PM
porschetub   Wow that wear looks more like wear after 50,000 mi...   Mar 19 2020, 01:48 PM
TravisNeff   that distance washer goes on the outside of the fl...   Mar 19 2020, 03:28 PM
TravisNeff   From porsche pet for 74-77 911 Also found the thr...   Mar 19 2020, 03:30 PM
914Toy   From porsche pet for 74-77 911 Also found the th...   Mar 19 2020, 04:38 PM
GregAmy   That wear is between the pressure plate and the th...   Mar 19 2020, 04:46 PM
914Toy   That wear is between the pressure plate and the t...   Mar 19 2020, 08:49 PM
jcd914   To me the un-even wear on the pressure plate finge...   Mar 19 2020, 10:42 PM
sixnotfour   Aftermarket Flywheel...... :popcorn:   Mar 20 2020, 12:34 AM
914Toy   Thanks all. Hopefully a new TOB and pressure plate...   Mar 20 2020, 07:59 AM
Steve   Make sure you have a 1/2" free play at the pe...   Mar 20 2020, 08:12 AM
GregAmy   Another consideration is that the throwout bearing...   Mar 20 2020, 08:23 AM
TravisNeff   There is also the shim behind the ball for the cup...   Mar 20 2020, 09:26 AM
rgalla9146   Shudder at take off ? Possible bent throw-out fo...   Mar 20 2020, 01:11 PM
Mark Henry   Shudder at take off ? Possible bent throw-out f...   Mar 20 2020, 05:59 PM
wndsrfr   [quote name='rgalla9146' post='2795887' date='Mar...   Mar 20 2020, 08:29 PM
Mark Henry   [quote name='Mark Henry' post='2795960' date='Mar...   Mar 21 2020, 09:11 AM
Spoke   What does the wear on the TO bearing look like? If...   Mar 21 2020, 09:55 AM
rgalla9146   What does the wear on the TO bearing look like? I...   Mar 21 2020, 01:54 PM
914Toy   What does the wear on the TO bearing look like? ...   Mar 21 2020, 02:36 PM
roblav1   Looks typical of clutch cable too tight.   Mar 21 2020, 03:46 PM
914Toy   Completed installing the tranny with new pressure ...   Mar 27 2020, 02:38 PM
rgalla9146   Completed installing the tranny with new pressure...   Mar 27 2020, 03:38 PM


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