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> 2.0 Cylinder Gaskets, Should they be used?
jack20
post Apr 9 2020, 12:43 PM
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Hello,
I had leaking pushrod tube seals and dropped the engine to make the job easier.
I decided to pull the heads to check condition. I’ve done quite a bit of reading about whether or not gaskets should be used between the cylinder and case and between the cylinder and head. Some posters point to a service bulletin stating not to use gaskets.

I have metal spacers/gaskets between the heads and cylinders. I think this engine has been rebuilt once before I got it. It runs well but it’s not as quick as another 914 2.0 I had years ago. Maybe the other car had higher compression and no gasket? I’m wondering if this metal gasket should be there. I haven’t checked for a gasket between the cylinder and case. My 356 has a thin copper gasket between the cylinder and case.

Can anyone shed some light in this?

Thanks in advance,

Jack
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post Apr 10 2020, 11:09 AM
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You should measure the combustion chamber volume as well as the deck height and calculate your compression ratio.

Deck height is not measured based on the wear marks in the cylinder wall.
Measure to the top of the piston to the top of the cylinder.
The wear marks in the cylinder are normally created by the piston rings not the piston.

I don't use the head gaskets and in my 20 years as a mechanic I never had a leak without the gaskets. The expansion and contraction cycles as the engine heats and cools cause the gaskets to squirm around and sometimes fail.
The AMC heads I put on my 78 bus said not to use head gaskets with their heads. I don't recall an explanation for the instructions.

Good luck with the engine!

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post Apr 10 2020, 12:42 PM
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QUOTE(jcd914 @ Apr 10 2020, 01:09 PM) *

You should measure the combustion chamber volume as well as the deck height and calculate your compression ratio.

Deck height is not measured based on the wear marks in the cylinder wall.
Measure to the top of the piston to the top of the cylinder.
The wear marks in the cylinder are normally created by the piston rings not the piston.

I don't use the head gaskets and in my 20 years as a mechanic I never had a leak without the gaskets. The expansion and contraction cycles as the engine heats and cools cause the gaskets to squirm around and sometimes fail.
The AMC heads I put on my 78 bus said not to use head gaskets with their heads. I don't recall an explanation for the instructions.

Good luck with the engine!

Take care
Jim


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I don't use head gaskets and I always measure CR (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

My 102mm nickies T4 and all the 96mm performance engines I build have no head gaskets. I've been at this 30 years and I haven't used head gaskets in the last 20 years. But every set of heads I use is a fresh fly cut.
BTW Every head gasket solution that you can think of including copper gaskets has been tried.
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jack20   2.0 Cylinder Gaskets   Apr 9 2020, 12:43 PM
ClayPerrine   You have opened a can of worms with that question....   Apr 9 2020, 12:56 PM
cuddy_k   ...and the shims between the cylinders and the cas...   Apr 9 2020, 01:09 PM
jack20   Thanks Clay. I understand what you mean about deck...   Apr 9 2020, 01:11 PM
jack20   OK, Cuddy. I haven’t pulled a barrel yet but on ...   Apr 9 2020, 01:14 PM
ClayPerrine   OK, Cuddy. I haven’t pulled a barrel yet but on...   Apr 9 2020, 01:31 PM
bdstone914   @ClayPerrine ' date='Apr 9 2020, 12:31 PM...   Apr 9 2020, 01:40 PM
Bleyseng   On any type 4 engine don't use the freaking cy...   Apr 9 2020, 03:59 PM
ClayPerrine   On any type 4 engine don't use the freaking c...   Apr 10 2020, 10:24 AM
Bleyseng   On any type 4 engine don't use the freaking ...   Apr 10 2020, 12:13 PM
HAM Inc   Leave out the headgaskets. They are made of lami...   Apr 9 2020, 04:19 PM
jack20   You all have been very helpful. I appreciate it. S...   Apr 9 2020, 06:47 PM
HAM Inc   You will need to make sure you have adequate deck ...   Apr 9 2020, 07:57 PM
jack20   Thanks Len. I do have a shim at the base. Would it...   Apr 9 2020, 08:54 PM
HAM Inc   Don't stack jug base shims. A single .8mm shi...   Apr 10 2020, 06:31 AM
Superhawk996   I understand that the laminated metal gasket can b...   Apr 10 2020, 06:55 AM
HAM Inc   I understand that the laminated metal gasket can ...   Apr 10 2020, 03:53 PM
jack20   Len, I just want to run this by you. I checked out...   Apr 10 2020, 10:18 AM
ClayPerrine   If you read the tech order from VW, it does NOT me...   Apr 10 2020, 10:20 AM
jack20   Thanks Clay. I certainly intend to do that. Right ...   Apr 10 2020, 10:28 AM
jcd914   You should measure the combustion chamber volume a...   Apr 10 2020, 11:09 AM
Mark Henry   You should measure the combustion chamber volume ...   Apr 10 2020, 12:42 PM
jack20   Very helpful, Jim! Thanks very much.   Apr 10 2020, 11:20 AM
Superhawk996   @HAM Inc Thank you for taking the time to post t...   Apr 10 2020, 04:37 PM
jack20   I just wanted to thank everyone for responding to ...   Apr 11 2020, 02:06 PM
Superhawk996   Some of you suggested I measure the volume of th...   Apr 11 2020, 03:44 PM
jack20   You won’t get blasted by me. I appreciate the pe...   Apr 12 2020, 11:21 AM


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