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> How much stiffer with solid or tied in roof?
Mueller
post Dec 12 2004, 11:17 AM
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New car has no cage, I know the 914 tends to flex and that the factory welded steel roofs on the 916 for what I guess was to help stiffen them, or was it for other reasons??

The 'glass top should help a little, but I was wondering about attaching tubes or the like from the factory roll bar to the windshield hoop to stiffen the car up....

Has anyone played with this before??
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post Dec 14 2004, 11:22 PM
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need more visual proof?


No Eric. That will do. A picture is worth a thousand words as they say.

I tied the windhield frame into the cage at the top of the windshield frame probably 16 years ago.

The windshield frame moved enough on the track that it would actually rub on the cage and would otherwise create noises. During that season, I decided to tie the frame into the cage to prevent the squeaks/rattles. After doing that, I pretty much forgot about it.

The areas that we experience cracked paint is normally in the same area, but further forward. We also (in our infinate wisdom) welded the joint between the fender and cowl. This area would routinely crack the paint until we cut out the joint and replaced it with sheet metal. Our cowl and fender now form a 90 degree sharp corner and this seems to be a stress concentration as that corner is where our paint will crack now.
(I am convinced that this is the reason for the plastic welting in the joint to begin with). In other words, I believe Porsche knew the fenders/cowl/windshield frame moved too much to weld all that together and created the "expansion joint" to address the issue.

I have noticed that the cracks in our paint starting at that sharp corner (stress concentration) start only after a severe jar (dropping a wheel off the edge of the track into a HOLE or hitting VERY VERY bumpy alligator strips). These severe "jars" are HARD. Hard enough to bend a strut (which I have actually done on one occasion).
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Mueller   How much stiffer with solid or tied in roof?   Dec 12 2004, 11:17 AM
Bleyseng   An X brace would help alot to stiffen things up, b...   Dec 12 2004, 11:34 AM
neo914-6   Mike, Don't have historical data on the 916 bu...   Dec 12 2004, 11:45 AM
GWN7   I saw this on one car. Don't know how function...   Dec 12 2004, 11:45 AM
neo914-6   :lol: :lol: :lol: And this is on an original 91...   Dec 12 2004, 11:47 AM
airsix   Mike, It's so funny to ready your threads like...   Dec 12 2004, 01:07 PM
ein 6er   this is the brumos gt   Dec 12 2004, 01:24 PM
ein 6er   front   Dec 12 2004, 01:24 PM
ein 6er   back   Dec 12 2004, 01:25 PM
michel richard   I thought I read somewhere that the 914, new and u...   Dec 12 2004, 01:42 PM
campbellcj   I know even with an 8-point welded cage, the tub s...   Dec 12 2004, 01:48 PM
Bleyseng   Maybe 911 Targa.......   Dec 12 2004, 01:49 PM
sixnotfour   On the 914-6Gt pages the Gt in the Collier collect...   Dec 12 2004, 02:22 PM
Jeroen   Like Geoff already mentioned, the windshield frame...   Dec 12 2004, 02:24 PM
airsix   <...   Dec 13 2004, 01:42 PM
Eric_Shea   I've "heard" they're much stiffer. Troy...   Dec 13 2004, 07:36 PM
Eric_Shea   nudder   Dec 13 2004, 07:37 PM
Flat VW   Never push the car from the a pillars, I have my t...   Dec 13 2004, 08:52 PM
Slowpoke   I usually drill some holes in A-pillars and shoot ...   Dec 13 2004, 09:19 PM
Brett W   If you add steel into the top you are hanging some...   Dec 13 2004, 09:58 PM
JOHNMAN   You guys surely jest.... The A-pillar weak. Plea...   Dec 13 2004, 11:43 PM
Brett W   Yes I have cut the windshield off. The windshield...   Dec 14 2004, 12:17 AM
JOHNMAN  
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  Dec 14 2004, 12:49 AM
Brett W   It doesn't. What that patch does is, connect ...   Dec 14 2004, 01:18 AM
Mueller   looking at the pictures of the cracked windshield ...   Dec 14 2004, 10:57 AM
Eric_Shea  
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Eric_Shea   need more visual proof?   Dec 14 2004, 11:20 AM
Brett W   The problem with the 914 chassis is there are way ...   Dec 14 2004, 12:16 PM
Eric_Shea  
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airsix   I'm not an engineer, but I get a laugh out of ...   Dec 14 2004, 04:05 PM
Jeroen   <...   Dec 14 2004, 04:44 PM
Bigbohr   Just wondering how much reinforcing the rails woul...   Dec 14 2004, 07:50 PM
Series9   Rather than attaching your top, consider some tubi...   Dec 14 2004, 08:43 PM
Bigbohr   If that goes into the front trunk and the engine c...   Dec 14 2004, 09:23 PM
Series9   This is the best one I have right now (I'm on ...   Dec 14 2004, 10:07 PM
Series9   engine bay:   Dec 14 2004, 10:10 PM
Series9   rear:   Dec 14 2004, 10:11 PM
JOHNMAN  
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SirAndy   you could always follow what they did on some of t...   Dec 14 2004, 11:42 PM
Eric_Shea   Andy... awesome picture. :trophy: Where the hel...   Dec 15 2004, 11:40 AM
sixnotfour  
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Travis Neff   What about glassing in some square or rectangular ...   Dec 15 2004, 02:15 PM
Brett W   Guys you are missing the main problem. Not enough...   Dec 15 2004, 02:46 PM
Mueller   <...   Dec 15 2004, 06:13 PM
Travis Neff   Just got my engman kit last week, and a welder yes...   Dec 15 2004, 06:50 PM
JOHNMAN   Ok Eric,
QUO...   Dec 15 2004, 08:34 PM
Brett W   Eric you could use it on any type of car but it wo...   Dec 15 2004, 08:43 PM
Travis Neff   Thanks Brett, that illustrates a lot. Was startin...   Dec 16 2004, 11:31 AM
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