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> For flat sixes: Webers v MFI v EFI, Ecologically speaking…
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post Jun 5 2020, 03:34 PM
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Currently have a 2.2E/S with Webers. It runs well and makes good power, having been tuned on the dyno and further dialed in since then, but I have discovered I'm just not a carburetor person. Fuel economy isn't good enough for the size of engine/car, and the emissions bother me—both in terms of the smells in my garage and while driving the car. And yes, we've been totally spoiled by low emissions cars.

What I'm curious about, for anyone who has lived with carbs and MFI: Is MFI noticeably cleaner and/or more efficient than carbs?

Or is EFI the way to go? I'm in no hurry on this, but curious for the experiences of others. Yes, Motronic, but I actually like the 2.2 engine.

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post Jun 5 2020, 09:15 PM
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My 2.2E targa MFI got 17 mpg highway back in 1982. Carb engines got about the same. No doubt MFI is cool, but crazy expensive.
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QUOTE(roblav1 @ Jun 5 2020, 08:15 PM) *

My 2.2E targa MFI got 17 mpg highway back in 1982. Carb engines got about the same. No doubt MFI is cool, but crazy expensive.


Yep, I'm in the teens with carbs—and they're dialed in. Seems ridiculous for a car that weighs 2100~ pounds. While fuel economy is near the bottom of my list of "must haves" in my 914 (and thus I am not in any rush), K5 Blazer fuel efficiency sort of grates on me.

And here I thought I was making a funny about the mpg, but… https://ck5.com/forums/threads/good-fuel-ec...y-on-k5.144786/

QUOTE(stevesc_us @ Jun 5 2020, 10:32 PM) *

Pete,

You’ve seen my car at the EASY get togethers and have probably heard me rave about how much I love my EFI conversion with PMO ITB’s and COP’S on my 3.2 conversion in my 73 long hood. Next time we meet up I will let you take it for drive to see what you think.

For me, in addition to the significant performance boost from the conversion, which I wasn’t expecting, the other main reason I did it was to give the engine bay that old school vibe since the PMO’s look just like carbs plus I love how uncluttered the engine looks. See for yourself.


Your 73 is gorgeous, Steve, and I'd love to take you up on that.

There are a lot of relatively new and interesting EFI options right now, from Clewett (already have their crankfire ignition trigger with Electromotive) to Rasant to several others. Some of the newer ITB hardware is really beautiful, too, but I have to say my leanings are toward the PMO hardware you have due to compatibility with the factory airbox and likelihood of long-term support. The promise of long-term support is where carbs, MFI, CIS, and Motronic shine bright—but only two of those were offered with a 2.2.

QUOTE(porschetub @ Jun 5 2020, 11:07 PM) *

What is your MPG with your 2.2? mine with good tune is really crap ?
Sorry no intent to hijack from the OP.
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No apology needed! This is very much the kind of discussion and data points I hoped for. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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horizontally-opposed   For flat sixes: Webers v MFI v EFI   Jun 5 2020, 03:34 PM
sixnotfour   efi is the old school Boss..not so correct for the...   Jun 5 2020, 03:57 PM
mepstein   A properly restored and tuned MFI setup will be cl...   Jun 5 2020, 04:33 PM
worn   Currently have a 2.2E/S with Webers. It runs well...   Jun 5 2020, 04:34 PM
SirAndy   Cross country I got a little better than 25 mpg wi...   Jun 5 2020, 06:29 PM
burton73   I can tell you one thing, MFI on an E or S when tu...   Jun 5 2020, 04:53 PM
colingreene   EFI is the only way to go if you dont mind spendin...   Jun 5 2020, 05:10 PM
raynekat   MFI is good for power, but not fuel economy or low...   Jun 5 2020, 05:16 PM
morgan_harwell   MFI will not get better MPG or Emissions than woul...   Jun 5 2020, 05:32 PM
horizontally-opposed   Appreciate the replies so far. Have driven MFI—I...   Jun 5 2020, 06:19 PM
Sway Bar   Interesting...I think most of 6 drivers don't ...   Jun 5 2020, 06:26 PM
roblav1   My 2.2E targa MFI got 17 mpg highway back in 1982....   Jun 5 2020, 09:15 PM
horizontally-opposed   My 2.2E targa MFI got 17 mpg highway back in 1982...   Jun 6 2020, 12:35 AM
Charles Freeborn   https://rasantproducts.com   Jun 5 2020, 09:22 PM
gereed75   I have been collecting parts for a few years now t...   Jun 5 2020, 09:51 PM
porschetub   I have been collecting parts for a few years now ...   Jun 6 2020, 12:07 AM
Chris914n6   Cross country I got a little better than 25 mpg w...   Jun 5 2020, 10:40 PM
stevesc_us   Pete, You’ve seen my car at the EASY get togeth...   Jun 5 2020, 11:32 PM
gereed75   My carbed 2.4 in S trim runs good, pulls smoothly ...   Jun 6 2020, 05:53 AM
roblav1   A problem with carbs and MFI is that a lot of unat...   Jun 6 2020, 06:52 AM
horizontally-opposed   A problem with carbs and MFI is that a lot of una...   Jun 6 2020, 11:22 AM
jd74914   [quote name='roblav1' post='2822540' date='Jun 6 ...   Jun 6 2020, 01:58 PM
mb911   I plan to do 1 of 2 things on my car.. Use my webe...   Jun 6 2020, 06:52 AM
Mark Henry   I plan to do 1 of 2 things on my car.. Use my web...   Jun 7 2020, 06:34 AM
sixnotfour   https://www.x-faktory.com/store/p3/EFI_Kit_RHD-EFI...   Jun 6 2020, 01:36 PM
roblav1   I paid $300 for 8 low mileage Suzuki ITBs, wi...   Jun 6 2020, 03:24 PM
sixnotfour   http://forums.pelicanparts.com/search.php?do=proce...   Jun 6 2020, 03:42 PM
mepstein   I would give Al a call about his x-faktory kit and...   Jun 6 2020, 03:46 PM
sixnotfour   Als a great guy , would make a great article too. ...   Jun 6 2020, 04:14 PM
roblav1   I've got the same cams as Mark in my Carrera 3...   Jun 7 2020, 07:22 AM
Mark Henry   I've got the same cams as Mark in my Carrera ...   Jun 7 2020, 08:36 AM
roblav1   I've got the same cams as Mark in my Carrera...   Jun 7 2020, 09:19 AM
horizontally-opposed   I can see where PMO carbs are attractive to someon...   Jun 7 2020, 10:07 AM
echocanyons   I have essentially the same setup as Steve in my 9...   Jun 7 2020, 12:17 PM
horizontally-opposed   I have essentially the same setup as Steve in my ...   Jun 7 2020, 12:53 PM
Chris914n6   MS3pro is a completely different system than the M...   Jun 7 2020, 12:48 PM


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