OT: Be careful which "ricers" you sneer at, There might be more to it. Options

[Brett W]

When someone convinced the poor little misguided youth that rice was nice, that was the down hill slide. This is by no means a one time cycle. How many shackled up muscle cars did you see through out the 70s and 80s.. What about the van craze. Ricers are just the new generation of rednecks.


Most of the people on honda-tech are idiots, but there are some people and companies that really know what they are doing. Here are some of the more common combinations. Can't put it to the ground but damn from a roll they are lethel. I didn't even look for the Supra dyno charts, their always in the 800-1000hp range.

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1069197 678whp and 402ft/lbs
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=864155&page=1 417whp and 309ft/lbs
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1010357 404.5 hp and 295.5ft-lbs & 393whp and 292ft/lbs
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1051135 514whp and 309 ft/lbs
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1033030 505WHP and 328 ft/lbs
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=941983 447whp and 319 ft/lbs
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=980524 542 hp and 615 ft lb's Mitsubishi EVO
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=943522 376whp and 252ft/lbs
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=920022 462whp and 328 ftlbs He cheated.
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=891131&page=3 430whp and 327ft/lbs All from a SOHC D series motor.
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=861581 Multiple cars at a dyno day.
http://www.theoldone.com/forum/topic.asp?T...SearchTerms=H22 not cheap but NA prelude engine
http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t...ight=turbo+four EAgle Talon

Whether you like rice or not there are some very fast cars and some major development going on on that side of the fence. There are many people just in town that look like rice and then there are the ones that look stock with a little lowering and some wheels that are very fast. Would flat walk away from most of germnay's best offerings in the straights some coudl do it in the corners, not many. Too bad road racing is not a major interest for these kids. Perhaps we could see a revival of the old days.

[Brett W]

30k for 350 hp isnt a very good deal. I agree, especially when you get that HP at 15000 RPM

I agree. I don't know anyone that has paid that much for that. I damn sure didn't. When I build a street motor unless it is some really oddball deal, I consider 5-7K a good price for a street motor, any less a bargain (or not done right). Most of the guys I know haven't paid that much for their stuff. That kind of money is reserved for show car guys and people that can't do their own work.

Only stupider and more arrogant.

Stupidity and arrogance is not limited to this new generation. I have met all kinds in my 28 years on this planet. The attitude is the same that I got all through the late 80s and early 90s from the 5.0 mustang crowd. I get the same attitude from old grey haired corvette owners and wanker ass 911 owners that can't work on their own cars.

It seems to me the majority of ricers that I have talked to will only talk to brag up a storm about their POS and make tons of unsubstantiated claims of what their cars are capable of. "My ride is sick man....

I don't deal with those people. I have met a couple of people like that, but they don't hang around where the grease might get on their shoes. The ones I talk to are serious about what they do and learn from others. Of course they are also much older than most of these kids, also. That is part of the reason I hang out here, most of us are growed up. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I have met many guys at HSR and PCA events that are no different than these young ricers. These old guys just happen to have more money.

I can build a 200hp civic for less than 3000$ that will whip the hell out of much faster cars at the track. It will stomp the hell out of vette or 911 or even a well built 914 on the autocross course with the right driver. I wouldn't build a civic for 15-30K, But I paid 240$ for my civic and have put maybe 600 in the whole car. It will be getting a nice little turbo motor probably 350+hp and I damn sure didn't spend more than 4K. I call that a bargin. My teener had close to 7K in it, the race car will cost upwards of 60K, my V8 project will run 25-50K. What does that make me?

We can talk all day long about what is a nice car, how one should spend their money on THEIR project, but in the end it is one mans opinion against another.

A couple of years ago Sport and Compact Car Magazine did a fastest street car shootout. Dave from GPR brought out his Grey 914-6: Well you can see the results :
http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/features...orce/index.html
http://www.importtuner.com/features/0111it...it_gforcepromo/
http://www.vwtrendsweb.com/features/0112vwt_gforce/

Things did not bode well for the 914, wonder what the hold up was. Wait is that a two Honduhs in front of it. How the hell did that happen. Someone better ask Dave what was wrong with his car, because we all know the 914-6 is the fastest car ever to reach the track. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)