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| Not_A_Six |
Jul 15 2020, 04:51 PM
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Member ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 110 Joined: 28-November 18 From: North Idaho Member No.: 22,682 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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Hi All-
I recently installed a 123Ignition dizzy in my '73 2.0. It apparently can be installed in any of 4 orientations, in 90 degree increments and operate properly when wired to the plugs appropriately. The d-jet version of the 123 dizzy also has two wires that are used to time the two groups of fuel injection pulses (cyl 1+4 and 3+2). These wires can be connected to the ECU in either polarity, and the "correct" polarity to time/phase the injection pulses seems to depend upon both the distributor orientation, and the wire polarity. Instructions from 123 Ignition show a connector sketch that "suggests" a particular polarity, but I think the correct one also depends on the chosen dizzy orientation, as well as the firing order. (The dizzy can be used in non-914 applications. E.g., with a straight 4.) I'm an EE. I've been through Paul Anders' ( @pbanders ) very helpful writeups on the ECU and d-jet operation. I've got d-jet schematics. And, I've got a generic (Volvo?) chart purporting to show the injection timing WRT the cylinders (which seems to have a lot of discrepancies with a 914 setup with different firing order.) I've also looked at the injection pulse/spark timing with an oscilloscope (with a high-v probe). It looks like the orientation and polarity can be adjusted to inject fuel at any of the following times: 1) Inject cylinders 1 and 3 during intake stroke and cylinders 4 and 2 during exhaust stroke. 2) Inject cylinders 1 and 3 during power stroke and cylinders 4 and 2 during compression stroke. 3) Inject cylinders 1 and 3 during exhaust stroke and cylinders 4 and 2 during power stroke. 4) Inject cylinders 1 and 3 during compression stroke and cylinders 4 and 2 during intake stroke. I think the choice of the 4 options above would affect the dwell time of the fuel charge in the intake runners and might also cause some raw fuel to be sent out the exhaust if a pulse occurs during valve overlap. Which of the 4 configurations is correct? Is my analysis correct, or did I miss something? Any other advice you can give me? Thanks for your help. Cheers. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
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| JeffBowlsby |
Jul 15 2020, 06:59 PM
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914 Wiring Harnesses & Beekeeper ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 9,127 Joined: 7-January 03 From: San Ramon CA Member No.: 104 Region Association: None
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If I recall, DJet squirts a 50% charge in two batches paired as cyls 1+3 and 2+4, which is different than you indicate, but it may not make any functional difference. Lets start there.
https://bowlsby.net/914/Classic/zTN_Man04.pdf See page 7 |
Not_A_Six D-Jet Fuel Injection Pulse Phasing Jul 15 2020, 04:51 PM
914_teener I installed the 123 with stock D jet as shown per ... Jul 15 2020, 05:31 PM
Not_A_Six
I installed the 123 with stock D jet as shown per... Jul 15 2020, 05:39 PM
Not_A_Six
If I recall, DJet squirts a 50% charge in two bat... Jul 15 2020, 07:13 PM
Not_A_Six
If I recall, DJet squirts a 50% charge in two bat... Jul 15 2020, 09:56 PM
JeffBowlsby Sounds good. Hence the need for two 50% fuel char... Jul 15 2020, 10:40 PM
Not_A_Six
Sounds good. Hence the need for two 50% fuel cha... Jul 16 2020, 09:23 AM
JeffBowlsby The trigger points contain 2 switches which each i... Jul 16 2020, 10:38 AM
Not_A_Six
The trigger points contain 2 switches which each ... Jul 16 2020, 11:44 AM
914_teener Added plus with the electronic dizzy is the elimin... Jul 16 2020, 09:22 AM
Not_A_Six
Added plus with the electronic dizzy is the elimi... Jul 16 2020, 09:58 AM
914_teener
Added plus with the electronic dizzy is the elim... Jul 16 2020, 11:04 AM
Not_A_Six
Thanks! Yeah, the 123 dizzy looks pretty s... Jul 16 2020, 12:16 PM
914_teener
[quote name='914_teener' post='2834348' date='Jul... Jul 16 2020, 05:54 PM
Not_A_Six
Yes....I believe you are missing something.
Fir... Jul 16 2020, 06:54 PM
GregAmy Bosch D-Jetronic is "batch injection".
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Not_A_Six
Bosch D-Jetronic is "batch injection".
... Jul 16 2020, 12:20 PM
rjames I have a 123dizzy and wasn’t able to get idle rp... Jul 16 2020, 07:38 PM
Not_A_Six
I have a 123dizzy and wasn’t able to get idle r... Jul 16 2020, 07:46 PM
Frank S FWIW, this is not a stock engine. It's a 2056... Jul 17 2020, 12:55 AM
Not_A_Six
FWIW, this is not a stock engine. It's a 205... Jul 17 2020, 10:35 AM

Not_A_Six Update for anybody interested:
A special thanks t... Jul 31 2020, 03:35 PM
914_teener [quote name='Frank S' date='Jul 16 202... Jul 17 2020, 04:25 PM
Not_A_Six ...And so you would ajust the static timing and ru... Jul 17 2020, 06:31 PM
914_teener The ported vacuum is not "disabled". Tha... Jul 16 2020, 08:02 PM
Not_A_Six
The ported vacuum is not "disabled". Th... Jul 16 2020, 08:07 PM
ctc911ctc THIS THREAD IS MASTER CLASS!
:beer2:
:head... Jul 17 2020, 07:43 PM
pbanders IMO, if there's a choice on the 123 between va... May 21 2021, 04:21 PM![]() ![]() |
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