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| BeatNavy |
Jul 6 2020, 08:47 AM
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Certified Professional Scapegoat ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,955 Joined: 26-February 14 From: Easton, MD Member No.: 17,042 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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I'm trying to nail down why I'm having oil cooler issues. Specifically, I've blown two sandwich plate adapter seals in the same place / manner. In addition, during my test drives I wasn't necessarily thrilled with the temp drop I was seeing.
First, I'm running the Setrab oil cooler and Setrab sandwich plate adapter. Anyone else running the Setrab sandwich plate adapter without any issues? I know I'm not the ONLY one, but how many people run this as opposed to something like the Mocal setup? Second, when I contacted Pegasus Racing to order more seals, I spoke to the tech guy who gave me some food for thought. The most interesting thing was he said the oil cooler needs to be mounted with the inlet and outlet ports facing up, otherwise the cooler won't fill up all the way and you won't get ideal (or any) cooling. Here's my setup with it angled somewhat down for what I hoped was good airflow: http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s=&...t&p=2826235 Essentially he says the oil takes "the path of least resistance" which could largely be from the inlet port to the outlet port using few of the cooling rows. I assumed the pressure would fill the cooler, but I can see what he's saying. Any thoughts on that? If that's the case, I really need to completely redo my mounting setup and plumbing. |
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| GregAmy |
Jul 15 2020, 11:52 AM
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I have several oddball things going on, like an IGN4-VW coil that starts cutting out after 30-40 minutes. I attribute that to something different/wrong with my engine/car.
I may try adhesive-backed reflective insulation on the underside of my airbox. |
| Frank S |
Jul 15 2020, 12:27 PM
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Member ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 135 Joined: 15-April 15 From: Wiesbaden, Germany Member No.: 18,632 Region Association: Germany
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I have several oddball things going on, like an IGN4-VW coil that starts cutting out after 30-40 minutes. I attribute that to something different/wrong with my engine/car. I may try adhesive-backed reflective insulation on the underside of my airbox. Is it the Ignition coil cutting out or do you struggle with sync loss problems due to too high temps at the Crank Pic-Up Sensor? Do you have a tooth log? |
| GregAmy |
Jul 15 2020, 12:37 PM
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Advanced Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,598 Joined: 22-February 13 From: Middletown CT Member No.: 15,565 Region Association: North East States
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Is it the Ignition coil cutting out or do you struggle with sync loss problems due to too high temps at the Crank Pic-Up Sensor? Do you have a tooth log? Very confident it's not synch loss; I'm not logging any synch loss at all except when I "burn" with the car running. Symptoms are stumbles and the AFR momentarily pegs full lean. I replaced the coil with a new one and it briefly got a lot better but it's starting to come back. Usually runs smooth for a half hour, then very light stumbles til about 45 minutes, then very hard stumbles. Died on me yesterday, I had to coast to a stop. Top of the coil was 184F via IR. I've been told this coil really likes big wires for power and ground, but I'm using AWG14 for both, didn't seem to affect anything. I'm thinking it's just getting too hot in the location I have it (on top of where the disty was). We can discuss in your Megasquirt thread, I need some ideas. ![]() |
| Frank S |
Jul 17 2020, 01:26 AM
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Member ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 135 Joined: 15-April 15 From: Wiesbaden, Germany Member No.: 18,632 Region Association: Germany
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Is it the Ignition coil cutting out or do you struggle with sync loss problems due to too high temps at the Crank Pic-Up Sensor? Do you have a tooth log? Very confident it's not synch loss; I'm not logging any synch loss at all except when I "burn" with the car running. Symptoms are stumbles and the AFR momentarily pegs full lean. I replaced the coil with a new one and it briefly got a lot better but it's starting to come back. Usually runs smooth for a half hour, then very light stumbles til about 45 minutes, then very hard stumbles. Died on me yesterday, I had to coast to a stop. Top of the coil was 184F via IR. I've been told this coil really likes big wires for power and ground, but I'm using AWG14 for both, didn't seem to affect anything. I'm thinking it's just getting too hot in the location I have it (on top of where the disty was). We can discuss in your Megasquirt thread, I need some ideas. ![]() Hi Greg, would be fine with me. But I also think it's a temperature related issue. But after I checked the other post with the underfloor temp meassurements, which is great, I think there is a problem with the engine tune. I'm running much cooler oil and head temps without an additional oil cooler (2056). But let's discuss this at a different place as it would be misleading here since Rob is running a lager displacement engine which requires additional oil cooling. |
| stownsen914 |
Jul 17 2020, 05:22 AM
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Very interesting re: the temp. under the back of the car. 120-140 degrees is not as hot as I would have expected. Can't argue with data. The second challenge with the cooler back there is limited air flow.
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